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Thread: OUTRAGE: HOODED CLOAK ON PLAYER!!

Vandessa
Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:11 am
#14

I would have a healthy ammount of skepticisim here. The 'Hooded Bothan Male in newbie wear' is a frequently seen NPC about SWG, furthermore durring the last moments of Beta there was a scavenger hunt where the QA skined themselves in this 'Hooded Bothan Male in Newbie Wear' model. Its been seen before and not uncommon an occurance.



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Vandessa
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:08 am
#15






DaAhn wrote:

This should be possible to do. If it was an issue with the character models and how clothes fit on certain parts of the body, for instance, it having to be both a robe and a hat, rememer that this has been achieved with the Grand Healer's Robe for females, why cant they just do the same thing for this type of robe??




Because the art has to be done for each species individualy, male and female. That takes time and resources.




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Syzygy-Gorath
Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:20 am
#16






Vandessa wrote:





DaAhn wrote:

This should be possible to do. If it was an issue with the character models and how clothes fit on certain parts of the body, for instance, it having to be both a robe and a hat, rememer that this has been achieved with the Grand Healer's Robe for females, why cant they just do the same thing for this type of robe??




Because the art has to be done for each species individualy, male and female. That takes time and resources.



That's speculation—we don't know whether or not it's already been modeled for each species/gender. I'll withold judgement until n'Jessi can get us a firm answer on that count.




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Alciril
Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:35 pm
#17







Gyopi wrote:


I am still not happy about the jedi robes. Its not that we can't make the robes. I can understand and accept the reasons for that. What I don't like is that when we have asked for clothes (some of which are already in the game!) we often get the excuse that the art department is too busy and they don't have the resources to work on it right now. But when it comes to jedi they can manage to make all these new clothes for them very quickly! It makes me feel like it isn't that they don't have the resources to give us new clothes. They just don't feel like it is worth using those resources to help our profession.




Sigh... you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly right.



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NJ62
Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:01 pm
#18

What I wrote (minus info that might potentially be sekrit, but probably isn't, but I'm paranoid)



The tailors are freaking out, because they saw this screenie of a hooded cloak worn, not by an npc, but a player character. It's been one of the top-requested - if not the top requested - item since shortly after release.


I'm waiting for confirmation that this is a real screenie, or official, or an NPC, or whatnot. If it's a fakie, that's great, please please let me know.


If Jedi are getting the robes (and still not sure if the screenies are real), this tells the tailors "we can make time to model headgear onto 7 species, because it's connected with the Jedi profession, which is higher priority than yours."


In terms of not wanting everyone to look like a Jedi - well that's all fine and good, the jedi robes themselves are pretty unique. There's no fictional reason in my mind why we normal people who own cloaks - and we can make that same exact cloak in the hood-down version - need to "use the force" to get the hood over our heads.


If this hooded cloak has indeed been added as a jedi-only item, I fear you may never see me again, as the tailors will cut off my head and eat my brains.



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Gyopi
Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:15 pm
#19






NJ62 wrote:


If this hooded cloak has indeed been added as a jedi-only item, I fear you may never see me again, as the tailors will cut off my head and eat my brains.






Yummy brains......




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Rizzaka
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:02 pm
#20






Gyopi wrote:





NJ62 wrote:


If this hooded cloak has indeed been added as a jedi-only item, I fear you may never see me again, as the tailors will cut off my head and eat my brains.






Yummy brains......







best with soy sauce!



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So you tell me if they are offcial =P though it could just be a Dev in an NPC's body for some screenies i will admit.







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MrChow_Sai
Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:52 pm
#21



Gyopi wrote:


NJ62 wrote:

If this hooded cloak has indeed been added as a jedi-only item, I fear you may never see me again, as the tailors will cut off my head and eat my brains.



Yummy brains......





rofl...

MEEP!! don't eat ur brains NJ we'd all missed u too much
Gyopi
Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:35 am
#22






Rizzaka wrote:





The problem with it being a jedi robe is that its a double wammy to our profession. Yes we understand that we don't craft the robes due to technical issues with the ranking system and items being revoked if a rank is lost. We've gotten over that i feel, but to see this is like a dev saying to me "HA! now you not only don't get to make more clothes that are in the game but you don't get to make one of your top desired items!" i mean imagine how a bounty hunter would feel if mandalorian armor dropped off meatlumps and anyone could wear it?




I am still not happy about the jedi robes. Its not that we can't make the robes. I can understand and accept the reasons for that. What I don't like is that when we have asked for clothes (some of which are already in the game!) we often get the excuse that the art department is too busy and they don't have the resources to work on it right now. But when it comes to jedi they can manage to make all these new clothes for them very quickly! It makes me feel like it isn't that they don't have the resources to give us new clothes. They just don't feel like it is worth using those resources to help our profession.






Momoko--Master Tailor near Kaadara on Lowca--
Come to Sitateya boutique at (5083 5804) on Naboo for elegant fashions, accessories, cute outfits, uniforms or any other clothing needs.
Eimi -- Master Bioengineer - Master Image Designer on Lowca--
Eimiko--Master Image Designer on TestCenter--

Homeslice
Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:50 am
#23

I am just hoping they make a slightly different style hooded robe that all players can where but doesn't look like the jedi robe or something like that
Vandessa
Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:38 am
#24






Syzygy-Gorath wrote:





Vandessa wrote:





DaAhn wrote:

This should be possible to do. If it was an issue with the character models and how clothes fit on certain parts of the body, for instance, it having to be both a robe and a hat, rememer that this has been achieved with the Grand Healer's Robe for females, why cant they just do the same thing for this type of robe??




Because the art has to be done for each species individualy, male and female. That takes time and resources.



That's speculation—we don't know whether or not it's already been modeled for each species/gender. I'll withold judgement until n'Jessi can get us a firm answer on that count.



I used to be the tailor correspondent, doesn't mean I've forgotton all the information I was told durring that term.


Each player race that isn't 'humanlike' implicitlyis a mask on a human model, therefore clothes interacting with said model have to be individualy created to include the same mask data incorperated into it. (EG The grand healer robe on amon calimari is not just a hood.. its a hood with the character'sface attached to it with alowances for the eyes and warping of the skull curve included in the data)


What I understood is the robe still needed to be made for each character that is in 'wearable' form. The NPC models can cheat because their wearables are designed for them specificly then tossed in a random pool to be called up by the client.




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Syzygy-Gorath
Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:41 am
#25






Vandessa wrote:





Syzygy-Gorath wrote:





Vandessa wrote:





DaAhn wrote:

This should be possible to do. If it was an issue with the character models and how clothes fit on certain parts of the body, for instance, it having to be both a robe and a hat, rememer that this has been achieved with the Grand Healer's Robe for females, why cant they just do the same thing for this type of robe??




Because the art has to be done for each species individualy, male and female. That takes time and resources.



That's speculation—we don't know whether or not it's already been modeled for each species/gender. I'll withold judgement until n'Jessi can get us a firm answer on that count.



I used to be the tailor correspondent, doesn't mean I've forgotton all the information I was told durring that term.


Each player race that isn't 'humanlike' implicitlyis a mask on a human model, therefore clothes interacting with said model have to be individualy created to include the same mask data incorperated into it. (EG The grand healer robe on amon calimari is not just a hood.. its a hood with the character'sface attached to it with alowances for the eyes and warping of the skull curve included in the data)


What I understood is the robe still needed to be made for each character that is in 'wearable' form. The NPC models can cheat because their wearables are designed for them specificly then tossed in a random pool to be called up by the client.



I'm aware of your credentials, as well as how the skinning system works—my point was that we don't know whether these models exist unused or not, or whether they truly are NPC models. I'm still waiting on firm information to get outraged.




œ Slone Varnillian œ Eicia Obai œ Panda-Sy œ
Most of the universe's problems can be solved by the application of a brick to the side of the right head.
The problem is if you don't have a big enough brick or can't find the right head. The devil is in the details.
œ Galena Varnillian œ Ammon œ Gwrtheyrn œ

Kwee
Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:16 am
#26

What I don't understand is why there would be any outrage at all At the worst (or at least most disappointing, and most likely), it is an NPC wearing a hooded cloak, which we've all seen screenies of before. At the best, they are working on getting the cloaks onto players and the screenshot is one taken onan internal dev server. NPC clothes are not a simple matter of slapping them onto a schematic. As Van said they must be made wearable by each species and gender which is very time consuming. Same reason the art team isn't whipping out new hairstyles. That said, hopefully we will get new schematics in the not too far distant future, I want that as much as any other Tailor.


PS. Are these the ones that were tried out on players in beta but looked stiff and awful when players moved aboutand were pulled?




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