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Thread: What I know about the Socketing problem: an update thread (which will be continually updated)

NJ62
Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:04 pm
#1

I have two choices here: either a) tell you what I know and can pass on or b) not tell you so then you won't be disappointed or frustrated with vagueness. But hey, don't want you to think I'm slacking - so here it goes, and I'll keep updating this thread with whatI find out.


I've been haranguing the devs behind the scenes. Just today I posted a reminder that this was a game-breaking issue and that something needed to be done. I still don't have an answer, but I do know that it's being looked into. At this point I still don't know if it's a bug or a design issue. However, I did get a lead on what might be causing the socketing issue, which I'm going to try to test tonight.


Any more than that I really can't say, or they may revoke my hawtpants license. I will be posting the results of my testing to the devs tomorrow morning or tonight, and I'm still pestering for both an answer and permission to tell you what it is. I'm trying my hardest to get a handle on this issue before submission of the top 5.


Sorry I can't say more (and I hope I don't get in trouble for this as is )



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ShosuroHametsu
Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:33 pm
#2

Thanks for your work. Good luck, with your testing.


FYI....Today......I made a number of items, from formfitting t-shirts to paneled boots and only got two items with four sockets. I actually had one duster that had ZERO sockets!!!. This was using the same resources as I've used for the last couple weeks and used to give me almost all four socket items.
Gyopi
Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:33 pm
#3

Good luck with the experiments! I wish I could help since I am always trying to figure out this game. I can tell you that resource quality and the craftng station does not seem to matter. It is also not tied to assembly, since amazing successes there can get 1 socket and moderate ones can get 4. I have a feeling that it is tied to the fact that having extra tailor experimentation does not give us extra experimentation points for the wookiee pillows. Sockets are acting exactly like they do for artisan clothing as a master artisan and I almost wonder if they gave us master artisan experimentation and assembly for this armor component. I should be able to test this easily.







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NJ62
Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:23 pm
#4

As a master artisan, are the sockets normally at an average of 2?



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robertwo
Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:10 am
#5

There is a note on my galaxy forum that someone has bugged the socket problem and was told by some CSR's that as part of a patch the following has changed:

Imperial Officers are no longer able to bypass scans for contraband.
Sockets on clothing crafting greatly reduced.

One of those steath nerfs they put in without telling anyone!

Not confirmed so I don't know how true it is but.... well...



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Gyopi
Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:09 am
#6








NJ62 wrote:
As a master artisan, are the sockets normally at an average of 2?







Yes. It acts exactly the same on all of my artisan clothing always has. Dropping some artisan did not change the experimentation points for the wookiee pillows, though. This is just a wild guess which has nothing to back it up, but I think that since they actually removed tailor experimentation, when they decided to let us experiment on this one item, they had to copy the code either from artisan or from armorsmith and the sockets came along with that code. Armorsmiths also get an average of 2 sockets. To tell the truth, I think that tailor sockets were always supposed to work the way they are now and they accidently fixed them when they added the armor padding in. If they tell you this I hope that you will be able to convince them to change their minds about it! 1) People have come to expectfour sockets after all these months of playing. They demand it now and this is really hurting some of our sales! 2) BE clothing and sockets are the two practical aspects of clothing and some people buy clothes just to put their skilltapes into. This should not be taken away from tailors. 3) We are not armorsmiths and we can not just experiment until we get 4 sockets and then do factory runs. Almost everything we make is by hand and random sockets just don't make sense in this case. Last night I made 3 very expensive BE enhanced specops dusters with my very best tissues just to get 4 sockets. The other two with only 2 sockets will sit on my vendor forever. I also probably made 6 robes of honor and decorative headdresses just to make a single one with 4 sockets for someone and ran through crates of materials doing this. I think I operated at a very big loss yesterday and if this does not change back I am going to have to completely change my business model as far as sockets are concerned.


Message Edited by Gyopi on 04-02-2004 01:57 PM




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Gyopi
Fri Apr 02, 2004 8:49 am
#7

Is there a /bug for the forums? They are acting strangely for me.






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Songe
Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:34 am
#8

I have stopped making clothes since it came in. I think I won't make any until we get the sockets back... I don't see the point of making clothes that won't sell really.



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Akaara
Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:31 am
#9

As long as I get 1 to 2 sockets, then I am really fine with that. I don't think you could use all 4 sockets anyways could you?I mean didn't the bonuses not stack sometimes?



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EnsignRed
Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:43 am
#10



robertwo wrote:
There is a note on my galaxy forum that someone has bugged the socket problem and was told by some CSR's that as part of a patch the following has changed:

Imperial Officers are no longer able to bypass scans for contraband.
Sockets on clothing crafting greatly reduced.

One of those steath nerfs they put in without telling anyone!

Not confirmed so I don't know how true it is but.... well...



Just to clear that up, since I was responsible for the post, the sockets issue wasn't addressed at all by the CSR, my ticket was only about Imperial contraband scans. Nothing to do with sockets on clothes.



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NJ62
Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:45 am
#11

This has nothing to do with finding the root of the problem, but last night I made 100 casual shirts just to see where the numbers fell.


0 Sockets: 2


1 Socket15


2 Sockets 39


3 Sockets29


4 Sockets15





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Dayre
Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:49 am
#12

I didn't keep numbers while playing around and crafting last night, but I did try out different recources and it seemed that better recources did produce better results. 1-3 with poor qual recources 3-4 good qual recources.I wish I knew what stats on recources could effect this.

I did also notice better results using a 43eff crafting station over my droid. Almost all 4 sockets with good quality recources (almost every stat 750+ if I remember right)

A suggestion... if anybody has a very old screenshot of the first stage of clothing crafting this should tell what stat(DR,OQ,SR?) to look for on the recource.



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Gyopi
Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:56 am
#13






Dayre wrote:
I didn't keep numbers while playing around and crafting last night, but I did try out different recources and it seemed that better recources did produce better results. 1-3 with poor qual recources 3-4 good qual recources.I wish I knew what stats on recources could effect this.

I did also notice better results using a 43eff crafting station over my droid. Almost all 4 sockets with good quality recources (almost every stat 750+ if I remember right)

A suggestion... if anybody has a very old screenshot of the first stage of clothing crafting this should tell what stat(DR,OQ,SR?) to look for on the recource.





My experience was the opposite, but I plan to do a more scientific test on it tonight. Even with some of the best quality resources that have been on the server, a 43 rated crafting station, 15 rated crafting tools, clothing assembly tapes in my clothing and bespin port, I was still never able to get 4 sockets more than a small percentage of the time.






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