Tailor Archive

Thread: Tailors need to unite and charge more

ArthurDentOnBria
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:03 pm
#1

/agree but people are free to change what they want. If you were to search through the messages in this forum over the last few months you'd see a message very much like this one every few weeks. It's kind of something we just have to live with.


The change to Jedi (no more holo grinders) will help, but this has always been an issue as long as there have been tailors willing to charge little or nothing for their time.


The other night a guy asked me about a robe of honor. I told him I'd be happy to make him one for 12k, he bitched at me, so now he's on ignore. No biggie.


The increase in bazar pricing to 6k may make this issue moot anyway, since we're likely to see a whole new level of undercutting, and you won't even need a vendor to do it.


Honestly though, the one encouraging thing that I can say is that the master level items only make up a real small percentage of sales anyway. They are way overrated in that regard. I would venture to say that none of the master level items would break into my top 20 sellers either on an volume basis or on a revenue basis, so in reality I'm probably more likely to get upset at a tailor who charges 250 for a muscle shirt than I am for a tailor who charges 5k for a leotard.




ArthurDent - former Bio Engineer, Tailor, and Droid Engineer
Account cancelled 7/8/05 due to game breaking bugs in these professions that have been neglected for FAR too long. Last day July 27 2005
custom tailoring and droid orders welcome. "making Evil products since July 2003"
Achiever: 80%, Explorer: 60%, Socializer: 46%, Killa 13%


Jaela
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:08 pm
#2

My comment:


1. First you dont identify a rock-bottom price, and without that being identified its hard to even understand the depth of the problem, let alone a possible course of action.


2. Additionally, you statement of overcharging like armor smiths is also vague and its hard to comment about that as well.


3.And last, what is your opinion of a fair price and what do you pay for a tissue?


Maybe with some more information, you might get some useful responses.
Dex1138
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:58 pm
#3


Bluude wrote:
look at what armorsmiths and weaponsmiths charge for their master items.



Well, as any fighter will tell you, they need the best weapons and armor. They don't "need" clothes. If I'm not mistaken, Master armor & weapons need quality and/or rare resources. I'm not defending anyone here, just getting the facts out.
We can use any quality materials we want, it all comes out the same. How many Tailor items do you actually sell that need specific and/or hard to find resources? Aside from enhanced clothing?
You can bet if I had to scour the galaxy to make a quality exotic leotard, I'd be charging more than 10k for it.



Tol "the Travelling Tailor" Doneeta
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ArthurDentOnBria
Tue Jan 27, 2004 3:23 pm
#4

Oh no! Ugh! Not this argument again


Look, for most classes, their challenge is in their harvesting. For tailors, our challenge is in coming up with something aestheticly pleasing. One is not more difficult than the other.


Guns are necessary to complete missions, PVP, GCW, and other aspects of the game.Clothing is necessary for immersion, roleplay, and in the development of a character persona. Also as luxury items/status symbols. Neither are more or less "necessary" than the other.


And I'm *really* surprised that a tailor would not understand this and use this as justification for charging less.


I'm happy to say that my customers pay more for an exotic leotard (obviously with no biotissues)than I've ever paid for a gun, lol. Take that weaponsmiths!





Dex1138 wrote:
Well, as any fighter will tell you, they need the best weapons and armor. They don't "need" clothes. If I'm not mistaken, Master armor & weapons need quality and/or rare resources. I'm not defending anyone here, just getting the facts out.
We can use any quality materials we want, it all comes out the same. How many Tailor items do you actually sell that need specific and/or hard to find resources? Aside from enhanced clothing?
You can bet if I had to scour the galaxy to make a quality exotic leotard, I'd be charging more than 10k for it.








ArthurDent - former Bio Engineer, Tailor, and Droid Engineer
Account cancelled 7/8/05 due to game breaking bugs in these professions that have been neglected for FAR too long. Last day July 27 2005
custom tailoring and droid orders welcome. "making Evil products since July 2003"
Achiever: 80%, Explorer: 60%, Socializer: 46%, Killa 13%


paddington2003
Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:22 pm
#5

Yes i agree itook my biketo look at some other tailors vendors on my server Chimaera ,and lots of his/hers items were priced in the 300-1000 credits range. Isnt that silly little credits? come on 300 credits what is that...One mission with no gun equipedgives more then that. Hmpf

I say no item should cost less then 1k atleast.



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DarcyJ
Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:27 pm
#6

I personally find the comparison to weaponsmith prices irrelevant at best. At worst? My roommate plays a weaponsmith. I've seen the collection of resources necessary for a single decent weapon, the differing quality requirements, the add-ons (rare loot drops) that everyone wants. There's simply no comparison with that, and a garment that can be made with low-quaity, simple fibreplast, any metal whatsoever, lubricating oil and the hide of your choice. The challenge for us lies, of course, in design -- but that can be achieved without scouring the galaxy and changing harvester locations with anywhere near the frequency that a weaponsmith is required to.



Darcy Jones, Master Tailor.
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DarcyJ
Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:28 pm
#7

That said -- I'm amazed to find that while my prices fall into the moderate-to-lowish range compared to other servers (Scylla has always had a far cheaper economy all-round), my prices for bio-engineered garments is extremely high compared even to tailors from other servers.. *laughs* Go figure.



Darcy Jones, Master Tailor.
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Shop Now Open in Notfar City, Tatooine
Bio-Engineered Garments Available!
Bluude
Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:45 am
#8



Well, as any fighter will tell you, they need the best weapons and armor. They don't "need" clothes.




Are you F'inkidding me?


Every good fighter needs a good anti bleed shirt and bandolier if nothing else.


I am a master Rifleman and a crafter and I can tell you that a good set of enhanced clothes is more important than a good set of armor. Even if they just wear the shirt and bandolier with their armor.


Heck I never get a bleed put on me anymore. Plus with my stun defense, the melee people have a hard time taking me out as well. I do not even wear armor anymore other than a mrk3 PSG


But then I see people selling +17 enhanced clothing for less than 1k because they either are a BE or have a close friend that is. I have to pay 3k just for a +17 tissue let alone the normal cost of the materials.


These severe undercutters are the ones I am talking about. They arerippingus all off with their low pricing.


Less than 1k for anything but artisan level clothes is totally underpriced.


When dealing with Enhanced clothes that are a needed Item by fighters, then I say 1k per level of enhancment whether the tissues are actyually used or wasted is fair.


Therefore a +25 wound/injury treatment doctors dress would cost 50k because it wastes 2 tissues and uses 2. actually it would be a little more since there are no +12.5 tissues.






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Bluude
Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:49 am
#9

I have noticed a disturbing trend lately where almost every city has a tailor vendor offering master enhanceditems for rock bottom prices.


This has got to stop. If you want to put up a discount vendor for your guild or city hide it in a house and tell them about it. But quit undercutting the rest of us!!!


I do not want to tell people what to do, but as a tailorI have never made much money at all. (I made it all doing vehicles.) This has got to stop at least on the scale it is happening now.


You worked hard to get to master and now you shouldget the rewards!!!


Remember that overcharging is not a crime. look at what armorsmiths and weaponsmiths charge for their master items.


We need to learn from them (especially with enhanced clothing) and start charging a price that makes tailoring worth our time.


Overcharging hurts nobody (since nobody is forced to pay your prices), undercharging hurts all other crafters.


Ok I am done ranting now.






RENDAR BLUUDE

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MASTER RIFLEMAN
Colonel in the Imperial Army
Bluude
Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:16 am
#10

Yeah I am on Bria as well. so maybe it is just us.


I am the ghost master tailor out in ghosttown. So I am quite busy.


I do sell discount uniform stuff to guild members but I try to charge the going rates for everything else.


We do give away free enhanced stuff to guild members, but that is a perk for joining and I get free tissues for that. Plus it is only one uniform per member so it doesn't ruin the market or anything. in fact all of it says Ghost somewhere in the title so i can see if anybody is trying to resell it on the bazzars after we give it to them.





RENDAR BLUUDE

MASTER TAILOR
MASTER RIFLEMAN
Colonel in the Imperial Army
Laschana
Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:51 am
#11

Hey bluude, just wanted to say hi and to stick in there!!! If you make a pleasing product, with good customer service, and good communication and turn-around on custom orders, people will be more likely to stick with you, even if they can get it cheaper somewhere else. And knowing you, I'd say you more than likely have all those qualities!! Just keep up the good work and people will notice!!! As a tailor since day one i've had my up and down periods as well, but I've found that alot of the time when you get people who complain, if you stick to your guns, more often than not they will be back anyways!! And I can relate, I sell robes of honor for 12k, and I had someone who said he'd give me 5k for it. I just said my prices are not up for negotiation, either you pay or go somewhere else. I think he thought that if he walked I would suddenly change my mind....guess what....I didn't.


I miss you buying out all my stock lol!! Best of luck to you sir!!! I'm sure you will succeed, you are in a busy town!!!





Laschana Kelsain, Master Pikewoman By Choice!!
Sahara Wind,11 pt Master Armorsmith/Master Merchant
TorchLight Crafters Mall
(-1411 -5623) Da'Vinci, Tatooine

Bluude
Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:21 am
#12

Thanks Laschana Nice to hear from you again.

I only go to tatooine for pvp now, but I have been to your new shop.

I just had to get to master myself though. I just really like making clothes in this game. Does that make me Gay?


I actually based most of my pricing on yours now thatI am out on Dantooine as the sole master tailor for Ghost so i know you understand my plight.


Have you seen the Red and Black uniforms around Bestine at all? I have given away or sold about 300 sets so far. It is based on an old prototype I asked you to make for me once a long time ago. I think I still got the origional in my bank actually.


I am not worried too much as I have racked up a few million doing vehicles, but I just get tired of the really bad undercutters in some of these towns because they do make people think you are ripping them off. Sure I sell discount uniforms to guild members, but it is on a non advertised vendor that mostly guild members only know about. Heck rebels can't even get in the front door as there are turrets and scanners at our HQright next to it.


Still not trying to tell people what to do though. I hate people that do that. I just thought I would mention that the probelm is getting worse. But then I get yelled at for charging too much for vehicles too. But I have learned to ignore those people and try to just deal with my friends who usually tip me lots of money even when I do something for them for free.


Now all we have to do is survive the vendor nerf next month. What are you gonna do with your hundreds of items when they can't stay in the vendors?


I think i have over 1000 uniform parts on one vendor alone.




RENDAR BLUUDE

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MASTER RIFLEMAN
Colonel in the Imperial Army
SSquirrel76
Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:23 am
#13

I know that on Wanderhome, I'm one of the cheaper tailors around. Sometimes I feel bad about this. Normally I don't. Why?


Because I calculated what it costs for me to get my resources, including harvesters for fiberplast and polymer, a fusion generator to keep my big harvesters going, the credits to run the harvesters, and the things I buy in smaller quantities as I don't need as much, and I factored in what it cost to grind my way up, and training. I also run two stores, so I factor in that amount, as well.


What have I discovered? I charge 10 cpu for what it takes to go into an item, with 20 cpu for specific resources (like tatooine wooly hide, etc), and slightly more for each component if it requires identical components from a factory crate. And you know what? In the end, as I am a career tailor and such things will even out, I'm STILL making a rather hefty profit, even though my most expensive non-enhanced item is 4440 creds retail. And sometimes I feel bad that I'm overcharging my customers.


I could probably double my prices and still be the cheapest tailor on Wanderhome. *shrug*


Osethme




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