Tailor Archive
Thread: Question for fellow tailors
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Akaara
Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:17 pm
#1
What do you bring to your PA to make a difference? I was removed from my PA so quickly that my head is spinning. They said I was always asking for things in guild chat. If I was, I didn't realize it. I would do anything within my limited abilities to do anything for them but I just couldn't do much, most of them have several accounts, share accounts and so forth. I couldn't join in group hunts or find eggs in lairs because I don't have any combat skills.
So, now that I am in shock and quite sad, what do you other tailors bring to your PA to make it better?? Obviously I did something wrong!
NJ62
Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:57 pm
#2
Many times guilds don't give crafters enough support when we usually go out of our way to provide for them. The last time I left a guild is because the guild refused to hunt good hides for the armorsmith the week they were in season because they weren't going to waste their time killing low level creatures - in this case gurks, so it would have been fairly easy to gather a lot of hide in a short amount of time. Then they still expected at-cost armor. Erm, no.
Whether you were doing something they didn't like is kind of irrelevant for these purposes - they have the duty to give you some warning about what their policy is on this or that before giving the boot. If they didn't have the common courtesy to inform you to stop the behavior that they didn't like, but rather let you continue doing it unaware, and then booted you because of it - well that is just immature and you're better off without them.
Whether you were doing something they didn't like is kind of irrelevant for these purposes - they have the duty to give you some warning about what their policy is on this or that before giving the boot. If they didn't have the common courtesy to inform you to stop the behavior that they didn't like, but rather let you continue doing it unaware, and then booted you because of it - well that is just immature and you're better off without them.
Gyopi
Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:36 pm
#4
I think that it really depends on the PA. Some PAs expect a lot of work from their crafters (as in anything they want when they want it for free) and don't give much support. The one I am in now is just a bunch of friends and everyone is willing to help everyone else out as much as they can. Others just don't care since they are so big that everyone is doing their own thing. I would say that ifa PA kicked you out forasking too muchthen you probably had a different playstyle and it wasn't going to work out sooner or later anyway. Just go out and have fun with friends!
Message Edited by Gyopi on 01-15-2005 05:39 PM
Dayre
Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:43 pm
#5
I don't see how you could have done something really wrong, it is IMHO totally acceptabl to ask for something when you are in need and if you are in a guild then that is who you approach first. It may have been a rift between the more combat oriented classes and yourself. While unfortunate, don't be too upset (well be upset at the way it was handled). My only advice would be to bury the hatchet and move on to greener pastures.
As far as what a tailor brings to a guild, that's easy, you bring yourself. I am of the opinion that the best guilds are those that are more concerned with the people than the professions-factions-loots-fads-whatevers. You play to have fun, well do it, I am just sorry that this situation had to take away from yours.
Aynianu
Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:43 pm
#6
I brought to my last PA my services as a tailor, They was a guild of mixed crafters and combatants, a big difference to myprevious PA which was all entertainers. i gave aprons for fellow crafters for free, often free outfits etc (only to those who i was friendly with in guildchat however, rest i just gave discounts to). What i desired from the PA (and all i want from any PA i join) was friendly guildchat channel. Im fiercly independant, i like to do everything myself, allways have done.
But overall i was left feeling left out. Im a dedicated crafter, and i was among a guild of many combat types who constantly organised hunting parties and such, things i couldnt really assist with. They had a certain comradrerie that i couldnt really fit in with, so i left myself and joined an Entertainer PA, a PA focused on the social aspects on the game, player run events... and socialising in general.
Being booted from a guild for not contributed, raises the question as to why they recruited you in the first place though.
Starcloud
Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:44 pm
#7
That's awfully selfish of them.
I'm probably going to pick up scout tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, because I want to test out Ranger. :-) I expect I'll probably be able to get you reasonable amounts of hides after a couple of days, when I hit 0004. I'll send you an e-mail when I hit that point.
Part of the game I used to like was helping people get the things they needed. Now, half my guild is grinding away at the village; I have no lots because I'm holding a base for our guild, and there's very little interaction anymore.
Personally, I think that the "Force-Sensitive" grind ismore destructive to the gamethan "holo-grinding" ever was; at least with holo-grinding there was more personal interaction, people were always needing things, etc.
Ani_cul
Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:36 pm
#8
After being in and out of guilds/PAs watching them grow, watching them die, helping to start them, leaveing them with out care {and doing same with cities}
I am much better off as I am now as a 'hermit'
sure the guild provided some interction and supplies I needed at one point,
but friends do that now and they can be in any guild or faction ornone at all
get a much broader scale there
whatI used to bring to PAs
{and whatI bring to my friends now}
was/ismyself,
not whatI could do
but me as a person
that matters alot more to real players then any skills you can quickly grind thru or items you could posses
MBLAST
Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:16 pm
#9
My guild has always been very supportive of our crafters, and I've had no problems with them. We help each other out.
If a guild is not supportive of a crafter, then I would personally leave the guild, and find one that does support you.
The crafters in our guild has always helped out everyone through the usage of their facilities and the reduced cost items mostly. The artisan surveying has helped everyone out a lot.
If a guild is not supportive of a crafter, then I would personally leave the guild, and find one that does support you.
The crafters in our guild has always helped out everyone through the usage of their facilities and the reduced cost items mostly. The artisan surveying has helped everyone out a lot.
Message Edited by MBLAST on 01-15-2005 09:18 PM
Parody
Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:57 pm
#10
I'm the heart and soul of our PA. IMHO. 
Our PA is a group of friends first; SWG Powergaming comes a distant second. That's the kind of group you want to look for. It's probably the only thing keeping me in the game!
I do make clothes for everyone for free, if they email me what they want or catch me while I'm crafting. I try to refund the guys if they buy stuff from the vendor, but I forget a lot. They don't seem to care.
Sorry to hear your PA was a bunch of jerks. I hope you find a good one soon.
Our PA is a group of friends first; SWG Powergaming comes a distant second. That's the kind of group you want to look for. It's probably the only thing keeping me in the game!
I do make clothes for everyone for free, if they email me what they want or catch me while I'm crafting. I try to refund the guys if they buy stuff from the vendor, but I forget a lot. They don't seem to care.
Sorry to hear your PA was a bunch of jerks. I hope you find a good one soon.
Message Edited by Parody on 01-15-2005 09:01 PM
g0nzo
Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:59 pm
#11
Wow, I guess I was lucky with my guild.
I was grinding up tailor back in the day, and since I never checked the tailor boards back then (I don't think I knew about the boards actually), I decided to go up fieldwear last. This left me grinding cloaks, which while giving the same xp as the belts, take a TON of hides. I was in a cantina asking about hides, when the leader of the guild asked me if I wanted to join them, he would help me get hides, and give me a space for a vendor, all I had to do was sell clothes at a reasonable price and give guildies either a 40 or 60% discount. (After almost a year, I STILL don't always remember what the discount is...probably 40%, but as much as we help each other out, it doesn't even become an issue)
The guild was actually a Crafter based guild Galactic TRADE Consortium, so I fit in perfectly. We would all be grinding away, restocking our vendors, and chatting in guildchat all the time. Several people had alts, and a few of our members were pure combat, but the pure combat members were willing to take people to get money running missions, or harvest hides, or whatever they needed. Now we have lost a lot of our older members (we had a master chef BEFORE the chef revamp) and our new members are a little more combat oriented, but they still love to chat it up in guild and help each other out.
I think you just have to find the right guild for you. My husband's guild NEVER uses guildchat, and he had to ask me how to talk in it. 
I like the people in his guild, but they are combat and jedi oriented, so while they have crafting alts, they aren't as into it as my guild is. I hang out with his guild a lot for hunts and stuff, but I won't leave my guild to join his, no matter how many times they ask.
I like the people in his guild, but they are combat and jedi oriented, so while they have crafting alts, they aren't as into it as my guild is. I hang out with his guild a lot for hunts and stuff, but I won't leave my guild to join his, no matter how many times they ask.
-Devil-
Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:04 pm
#12
hmmm wow ... my guild on bloodfin .. has a lot of crafters in it so that may make the difference but i never have problems with them ... tho i am self sufficient ... as for hides and such ... i do ask them for the looted tailor items if they have space to save them while hunting ...
all i really do is when a guild mate wants something made .. i make it ... i dont tell them a price .. and just hand it to them and let them tip me what it is worth to them (normally a lot more then i would charge) ... it all works out ...
Akaara
Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:17 pm
#13
Thank you all for your input!
I think negotiations will begin for me to be let back in (hopefully). Apparently many members of the PA had something to say about it. Hopefully we can work through this and I can come away with a better understanding of what I need to do.
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