Swordsman Archive
Thread: so whats up with our lack of States?
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Rawauh
Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:55 am
#1
2 most useful states i find are found im most every combat profession except swordsman, ya hit3 can dizzy but its like a 1/20 chance.
dizzy - rifleman, carb, tka, pikeman, fencer, BH (has like 3 of them)
stun - rifleman, carb, pikeman, tka, BH
all we get are like 5 specials that can posture down. what good is posture down if the enemy isnt dizzied and can kd by standing up? pretty much every prof that has a spin type move has it able to dizzy cuz your spinning makes stuff dizzy from watching you i guess, we got like 5 spin moves!!! our main weapon the powerhammer has horrible range mods for the most part, stun would help that somewhat, as stun lowers enemy def and our mods arent as important.
when you think about it we are the only prof that has no special that is designed to cause a state effecton the target.
Tathizar
Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:23 am
#2
main reason is because our profession is to be put to use in PvE. state attacks are mainly used for PvP. dizzy/kd is worthless vs a creature, yes it can help vs a NPC but again, people feel we don't need it because we deal most damage of a melee class.
damonbrinkley
Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:00 pm
#3
We don't need states, we are the major damage dealers. I couldn't careless about putting state effects on anything in PvE when I'm hitting for 2-5k a pop to the mind pool.
TreindTyde
Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:05 pm
#6
ivossk wrote:
can't have it all man
Wwwwwhat? No. You are so ignorant. Of course we should have it all...
/sarcasm off
and nobody wants blind stun or an effective dizzy anyway, and quit whining how swordsman needs something until you go play pikeman and carbineer and try to be effective with them.
Rawauh
Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:22 pm
#7
so is a Rifleman of the Ranged Profs, but they get them...
damonbrinkley wrote:
We don't need states, we are the major damage dealers. I couldn't careless about putting state effects on anything in PvE when I'm hitting for 2-5k a pop to the mind pool.
Message Edited by Rawauh on 10-02-2004 06:22 PM
Styreta
Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:42 pm
#8
TreindTyde wrote:
ivossk wrote:
can't have it all man
Wwwwwhat? No. You are so ignorant. Of course we should have it all...
/sarcasm off
and nobody wants blind stun or an effective dizzy anyway, and quit whining how swordsman needs something until you go play pikeman and carbineer and try to be effective with them.
Get mind fire lances with pike and BH carinbe tree with carbineer. Whats your point?
TreindTyde
Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:21 pm
#9
Styreta wrote:
TreindTyde wrote:
ivossk wrote:
can't have it all man
Wwwwwhat? No. You are so ignorant. Of course we should have it all...
/sarcasm off
and nobody wants blind stun or an effective dizzy anyway, and quit whining how swordsman needs something until you go play pikeman and carbineer and try to be effective with them.
Get mind fire lances with pike and BH carinbe tree with carbineer. Whats your point?
Try hitting me alone with pikeman, and once you have me KD'd and dizzy with carbineer, what are you gonna do? Hit my action? By the time I get up I just pop a stim D and you just wasted time...On top of that a good mind fire lance will cost you a lot so you run of the mill fellas won't have em. The point I was trying to make though was that their a worse off professions, the mind fire lances are just a poorly implemented part of the game that tried to help out pikeman, but it sucks at it.
chardin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:42 pm
#10
now, we ahve all the states we would POSSIBLY NEED! my only comlaint is that we are supposed to be single target hard hitters while pikemen are the area attackers, and yet we get a full line of just area attacks? my suggesstion is put the sweeps into the offesnse line (MAYBE come out with a new attack) and move the toughness to the defense line. (while completely deleting the area attacks) anyone else agree?
ivossk
Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:06 pm
#11
lol, why would you use sarcasm if you are going to repeat what I said with more words lol.
Fingerofthrawn
Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:36 am
#12
States? We don't need no stinking states!!!
Really, with as much damage as we can inflict to an almost unhealable stat- mind (yeah, I know CMs can heal mind, but since they got nerfed, who even sees CMs anymore?), we don't really need state attacks. After all, we're really the one prof in the game that can solo just about anything in PvE anyway, with the right template.
Might be a valid point after the combat "revamp" however........
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veegen
Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:27 am
#13
Stun is extremely useful in PvP and so is dizzy too of course!
I solve this problem by beeing master swordsman/master TK, so first I take out VKs (and turn on CoB TKAs have good secondary defenses) and stun/blind/dizzy+kd enemy, then I take out hammer and headhit. Now if they are almost dead I keep head-hitting, if they arent close to being dead, I rinse and repeat.
As for PvE states other than intimidate are pretty useless.
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