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I hate to bring this up again but something has to change. The Swordsman Vs TKA matchup is just ridiculous and somthing needs to be done about it.

To prove it i've been dueling TKA's and heres what i found. TKA's have better defense than us, they have a better variety of special attacks AND they OUTDAMAGE US! "What?" you say...how can they outdamage us! Well here is a result of my combat chat and its not pretty.

He was a Teras Kasi Master with some defense agains't dizzy, Kd, blind etc from fencer. I'm a Master Swordsman with a little melee/ranged defense from fencer. He was using his fists and I was using a 135-466 powerhammer with 4.6 speed. We were both not wearing armor. The duel went like this.

He COB'd and then challenged me. I Cob'd and then accepted the challenge. Then I imediately pressed warcry, mind hit 3, mind hit 3, mind hit 3... and heres what it looks like...

*Be careful it hurts to look at*

Greedy Greedster challenges you to a duel.
You focus your thoughts on self preservation.
You accept Greedy Greedster's challenge.
You have been Knocked down.
Greedy Greedster uses charging wampa on you for 244 points of damage!
You have been wounded for 61 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You have been wounded for 6 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You have been wounded for 6 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
Greedy Greedster uses charging wampa on you for 366 points of damage!
Greedy Greedster uses Nexu Grin on you for 430 points of damage, but you counterattack!
Greedy Greedster uses Nexu Grin on you for 329 points of damage, but you counterattack!
Greedy Greedster uses Nexu Grin on you for 178 points of damage!
Greedy Greedster uses Nexu Grin on you for 302 points of damage, but you counterattack!
You delay Greedy Greedster for 10 seconds.
Your ferocious warcry freezes Greedy Greedster in his tracks.
You use Scalp Slam on Greedy Greedster for 109 points of damage!
You use Scalp Slam on Greedy Greedster for 192 points of damage!
You use Scalp Slam on Greedy Greedster for 146 points of damage!
You swing at Greedy Greedster but miss!
You swing at Greedy Greedster but he dodges out of the way.
Greedy Greedster swings and hits you, but you shrug it off and counter-attack!
Your Scalp Slam misses Greedy Greedster.
Greedy Greedster swings and hits you for 83 points of damage!
Greedy Greedster swings and hits you for 93 points of damage!
You have been wounded for 22 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You have been wounded for 1 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You have been wounded for 1 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
Greedy Greedster uses Nexu Grin on you for 236 points of damage!
You swing and hit Greedy Greedster for 69 points of damage!
You have been forced to kneeling.
Greedy Greedster uses Riding Bantha on you for 64 points of damage!
You have been wounded for 16 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You have been wounded for 1 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You have been wounded for 1 points.
You have taken 1 shock wounds.
You kneel.
You have been incapacitated by Greedy Greedster.

In total I hit him for 516 damage compard to his whopping 1264. If you include the damage I counterattacked he hit for 2325. He did more damage than me in his first two hits then I did during the whole fight, including having him delayed!

The saddest thing of all is he didn't even complete the dizzy+Kd on me. If he had I wouldn't have even bothered, but this was a fight for a few Swordsman tactics actually worked and I still had no chance.

I can understand a TKA having better defense than us, better accuracy and even better speed. The tradeoff however, is that we are supposed to be able to hit much harder than they do, when clearly this isn't happpening.

For one thing, the Armor piercing bug puts you at a disadvantage here - your damage is ~65% of what it should be due to this. (If target is vulnerable, AP is not accounted for).

Also, TKA have I believe +50 unarmed toughness. This means they take half damage.

The first bunch of hits you appear to be knocked down - damage multiplier.

With armor on, the PH (AP2) has an advantage over both fists (AP0) and knucklers (AP1). Armor with high kinetic resistance is much more common than blast, so you might gain an edge here.

Yes, TKA are tough.

There are ways you can win - TKAs cannot bleed, for example. Apply a mind bleed and run away

**edit**, thats disheartening. I dare you to post that over in the TKA boards and see what their justification is. Those people are unbelievable. They are already unbelievably uber, and yet you should here there stuff they try and ask their correspondent to get them: stun dmg, dual VKs, you name name.

I love playing a swordsman, so i'd never jump to a FOTM class but sheesh....that is just wrong there.

err, i meant you name it. hehe. i sure wish there was an edit function on these boards.

Try getting some composite armor with 80% kinetic. Then you'll be seeing....

"Greedy Greedster uses Nexu Grin on you for 20 points of damage!"

Smack him with a bleeder (Which bypasses defensive acuity, and goes through any armor he might have), and watch his health tick away.

i playd a duel whit a TKA i was swordsman 0-2-2-1 and hi was a TKA 0-1-1-0, i tryid to take a mind bleed, but i miss hi used KD, dizzy! i stand ut and hi used KD and dizzy again and sow on i hit him one time

**edit**! i dont duel tka more i hate it! i dont have a chance

Laur I got master brawler as well as master 2H and you could still beat my azz in any day of the week. Bleeds dont incap anymore anyways so they won't stop you from beating on my Dizzy-KD'ed body.

On another note, how do you like the 2 boxes of fencer def.'s? I got 2 of TK for lesser def.'s and some defensive acuity, though I can't discern defensive acuity actually helping me counterattack much more.

/ponder...

In any duel under any circumstances a only TKM will always beat an only MasterSword. There is no way of getting around it. We are viable in pvp if we are running around beating people up in a raid or something but generally in a one on one duel there are very few people we can beat. TKM is probably the most humiliating of all the defeats ive gotten. Yet i continue to duel them just to prove my point. In fact i experimented with one. We had a duel with no kd. He won. We had a duel with no specials on either side. He won. We had a duel with no knucklers. He won. We had all these duels with every 2hand weapon i have at my disposal. He won every time. No battle was close. It was all one sided and i never had a chance.BTW i was wearing80 percent kinetic comp.I highly doubt that even with all the defense lines mastered and master brawler a master swordsman would win. There is no contest here. None what so ever. Give up the dream cuz its never going to happen until we get fixed. I still get a kick out of asking every TKA who hands me my ass if they can solo a krayt. Not one can that i know of. But i can. That is where our place is at the moment, pve.

I would like to see the results of that fight with you both buffed and in armor. I think you would see a huge diff from that. You guys are great against armor and I am pretty sure you would win. The fact that you can get ubese with 70+ resists on just about all servers makes a huge diff. By not wearing armor you are giving up a huge str of this class.

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I would never duel a TKM without armor. If you both were without armor then you clearly were at a disadvantage. If you do not post the complete skills of both players this is meaningless aswell. He dodges you once for example, so he might also have some fencer skills and those make alot of difference defensewise.

The template I am using is Master Brawler, TK Master, Swordsman Master and some Fencer skills. And I don't have any troubles fighting TKMs.

The rest of the other proffessions i have no problem with, TK is our weakness....live with it. We can take down AT-ST, they cant. We can solo a Krayt (atm), they cant.

hello,

Being fed up with seing bh, commando and pistoleer everywhere. i started brawler a coupple of days ago, i am tk student and heavy swordman student, cuz i like both style.and do not know which one to choose...

To see what a master heavy swordman can do i challenged him for a duel for fun, showing him i was only a student in swordman...

I duel, and without understanding what the **edit** happened, the big wookie withhis power hammer was downin less than a 1 minute :...{

i have no skills in tk and i got him, no buff, no armor... is it a miracle or the always the case?

i just did warcry 1, lunge, stun, blind, and redo the same thing...

Can some one post the advantage and disadvantage of a swordman, and how u can take a krayt solo???

thx a lot

You lose to TKA's with 80% composite? Ummm, how?

Not only can you usually stand up from dizzy/KD, but regardless, they should hardly be able to put a dent in you. You must have either been doing something totally wrong, or were unbuffed while he was buffed. With your CoB, he should miss you a lot more, which can hopefully give you a chance to bleed and run (though you should still be able to win toe to toe). You HAVE to bleed them to do good! Bleed will go through their CoB, and will do good damage even through their armor and toughness.