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Thread: Ok we got a problem in Pvp

NashDarksabre
Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:23 am
#14

What's funny, is here I preach about how good armor is against TKA, but I don't even use any. lol



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Ehogack
Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:38 pm
#15

First off.. DO NOT USE Power Hammer AGAINST BRAWLERS. See that -3x range modifier. TKA has 50+ melee defense, versus your barely 100 accuracy. 2h Curved for brawlers. Period. Damage doesn't matter if you miss 5/8 swings


Secondly, you did very well. If it was me, I woulda used Spitting Rawl on you until blind stuck, then laughed at you while you died to auto-attack.

Geminus
Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:55 pm
#16

Yeah, it's a whole different kettle of fish if you have armour on, but only if you survive the KD/Dizzy, which, when I fought my 2/3/2/3 TKA firend, and I was Master Heavy Swordsman, the KD/Dizzy'd me after my first hit on him and the fight was over.

It was disgusting, I did Area Attack 3 on him, brought him to his knees, and he promptly got up and KD/Dizzy'd me before I got my next hit off. Absolutely disgusting...



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raider7734
Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:15 pm
#17

Well, as long as the devs think it's ok to have moves thatare a guaranteed win if it works,I propose one for Swordsman...Decapitation,an expertly aimed strikethat does 3x basedamage to mind,and has a 75%chance of taking their head right off, if they are postured down or KD first





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Scarin
Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:09 pm
#18


gozarian wrote:

How do you expect to justify this combat log without exploring other possiblities? All your proving is that by playing into the hands of your opponent. Your chance for losing is greatly increased.






I didn't post his exact fencer skills because they did not actually apply in this contest. Dodge bonuses, do not apply when your using your fists, only a one handed (fencer) weapon will actually allow you to dodge. In his case his defense mod is defense acturity which doesn't recieve any bonuses from any fencer tree. He told me he didn't have any defenses from the first tree, only the blind, dizzy, intimidate defnses from the 3rd tree, which also didn't matter here because i didn't use a blind, dizzy or intimidate attack. Therefore the only bonuses from fencer that actually helped him was +15 melee defense from novice, giving him a total +77 versus my +47 from master swordsman, novice fencer and grips and stances 1. ( I use more skill points but have considereably less melee defense)

Furthermore melee defense doesn't actually reduce damage, it accounts for the misses in a fight. If you check the log, I only missed one or two more times than him, which is not bad at all as he was COB'd and as so much higher defense than me. I really wouldn't attribute that to my Powerhammer either, which BTW does not have a -55 accuracy mod to begin with, and certainly isn't anything close to that when your a master.

About armor, well I've fought most of my duels with 70% adv ubese on and trust me it doesn't work out any better. Even with a fairly low encumberance the special cost on a Powerhammer are over 100 health, and pretty high on all of our weapons. In this case with a warcry and 4 scalp slam's I would have killed myself for him.

Well don't use specials you say... Tried that too, its even worse because, as shown, our damage isn't comparable when modifers are applied and you simply can't expect to win when they can continue to spam specials nonstop and you can't use any.

The real problem here is the Armor Peircing on the Powerhammer actually reducing my damage because he was not wearing any, and unarmed melee toughness. The unarmed melee toghness that TKA's get far exceeds any other melee class making them highly overpowered vs other melee. It also allows them not to wear any armor wthout seeing much of a reduction in defense, enabling them to use specials more often and puts any AP weapon at a disadvantage due to a bug in the way armor peircing weapons handle targets without any armor.



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youngunzblood
Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:40 pm
#19

Hey Scarin remember the one with the rebel group that jumped us while afk whilehunting kimos; I knocked him down with lunge 2 he got right back up and Dizzy/kd me twice i did hit him with a bleed came back and finished him. Anyways shouldn't a hammer have an auto dizzy or somethingI mean usually if u got hit with something that big ur probably gonna be dizzy.



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RicoUnderwood
Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:58 pm
#20

Huh? Excuse me? How "are" us TKA's? TKM and 0/3/1/3 swordie here. A lot of professions have high defense versus posture change, I know this because I've tried it. lol


TKA IS a little more powerful right now because its been fixed and swordie hasn't. Why am I going Swordie? Because of people whining about Teh UBER overpowerful TKA's. Fencers are starting to face the wrath of selfish people now. And next is probably swordie. (I'll probably go pikeman then, lol)


I learned already that the professions are being fixed and some are going to look more powerful than other at times.





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Artrus
Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:46 pm
#21

Best way to kill a TKA Master, use mind poison that does 350 damage each hit and run away come back and headhit 3, easy as that. Combat Medic is a great profession, you can also posion from pistol range so a TKA Master can't even touch me, as for them trying to do knockdown, after around 3 seconds all their mind is already down and they can't use any specials



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NashDarksabre
Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:12 pm
#22

I'd never go CM because I don't have a death wish. They are definately a very powerful and needed class, but they are also the first to die, hehe.



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Scarin
Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:28 pm
#23


RicoUnderwood wrote:

I learned already that the professions are being fixed and some are going to look more powerful than other at times.






I know, I shouldn't be complaining if you consider pikeman right now. I'm just fed up with the current situation and I know I'm not the only one. Maybe just some acknowledgment from the devs, "Hey we know your imbalanced, we're working on it."

In the meantime I'll just very stoicly prepare myself everytime I see a TKA in pvp by saying, "Perhaps today is a good day to die."

WE WILL HAVE OUR DAY ...i hope.


P.S. What up OATMEAL!!!



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RicoUnderwood
Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:41 pm
#24

Thats the thing. I mean, if you WANT to be the most powerful thing on the planet, go to the fixed profession. If you like your profession, stick with it and wait for the fix. I loved TKA back in July, granted it sucked then but hey I liked it. Now as I'm about to give it up I see just how far its come and think, "Wow, I was part of that." And I'm hoping to see it again with this class. I already love it and I'm seven blocks in.





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youngunzblood
Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:47 pm
#25

A im chillin Swordsman vs Swordsman has got to be the most fun i've ever had in this game; huh Scarin, someday u will beat me the way i do u haha just kinding u should copy out battle onto one of these posts.


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Pootian
Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:37 am
#26

Yes Mind bleed and run like a little girl. Works like a cham. Or do what i do and pop moun and heal like crazy. That is assuming they don't dizzy KD you. I don't understand why We don't have a KD, if you hit someone in the head with a power hammer they are gonna fall down.




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