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Thread: The joke that is the Swordsman. my views on our current state of affairs.
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haun
Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:27 am
#1
Well if you have been playing swordsman the last few months you know our problems.
It use to be that we couldn't stand toe to toe with TK's because we were KD/dizzied. the lack of swordsman defense from the start was a huge problem and kept us locked into PVE. But at least we weren't pikemen! We had great damage and bleeds. I think we all got excited with COB.
COB opened up a new world of defense for brawlers and help many swordsman in PVP. A few players got smart and used their Skill Points to build up COUNTERATTACK and defense mods to add to the weak defense of swordsman.
though we had our disadvantages, it was a fun class to play, and with the right skills to compliment (and maybe some experimented weapons 
) we were truely a fun class for once.
) we were truely a fun class for once.we also heard the SCYTHE was coming and many of us were excited about that! a new weapon with decent DPS for PVP, not to mention good range mods.
then the begining of the end. (or the current dismal situation)
TH announces that defense stacking is IMBALANCED and many players begin to point fingers simply because their toon with only one combat profession could not beat a person who put all 250 points into becoming a true warrior.
the finger pointing got worse and the outcry grew everyday as BHS, COMMANDOS and other ranged players hated that they couldn't hit us with 10 specials in a row - even though they just weren't playing very smart and did not understand how to hit those who were purely combat based.
Then the bleed nerf.........they ruined part of what made being a swordsman fun and one of our best assests BUT they ruined it for everybody - so i think we all decided we could live with it.
now warcry is going.
we are all kinda wondering what is going on.
this NERF seems to come out of nowhere for no reason and we have to wonder......
What are we getting to replace all the things we had?
I sat back when the combat balance was put forth and wondered what was going on and how long it would take. The biggest thought on my mind was.....what if i wait all this time and swordsman is still nothing but an uphill climb.
i had no idea the very foundation of our profession would be jerked out from under us before we even got to the revamp.
now it doesn't really seem like a revamp at all. It seems like a hack and slash, where the devs are going in and destroying anything they see as "overpowered", trying to force us to group to take down high end mobs.
why are they doing this?
so they don't have to add any new content?
or because these mobs are giving too much good loot?
or making us play with others would ensure we would play longer?
well, the loot sucks and as far as content they are trying to add the genosian cave which promises to be HOLO HUNT part 2.
people camping for weeks to get enough powercores to make uberweapons.
but this time it won't level out like holocrons will.
powercubes will dominate the market for a long time because of their ability to make better weapons for most professions.
will we be able to even get these cubes with our weakened profession?
back to my idea of a dev "hack and slash" - it bothers me that i see no reasoning behind some of the most recent nerfs, and i see no overall picture. the more the devs cut things out of the game the worse it becomes for us all. is this combat revamp simply a way to cover up for awitchunt conducted to pull out any power the solo gamer might have? I can see the devs restructuring everything and then walk away leaving a flaming burning wreck, only to move on to revamping merchants or dancers.
the less the tell us or give us an overall picture of combat the more it seems like they are trying to cheat us and make the game less enjoyable.
all we here is "wait for the revamp".
has it started?
when will it end?
are they going to help the professions that are wounded and getting worse every publish while others hold on to their edge?
not to mention the valid cries that the game is constantly changing and still in a beta form.
the massive changes keep coming and nobody seems to know which way to go (other than CM/RIFLEMAN)
i really cannot say that i have any faith in the devs being a wookiee.
i have been shut out from so much and put down simply because the devs decided i couldn't have protection.
this has cascaded out into everything i have wanted to do in this game and makes all my choices twice as hard.
so back to swordsman.
where do we stand within this game?
we have the ability to do lots of damage, but we cannot take any damage.
we are a profession stuck in stasis holding our breath that we might get some skills to make up for our lack of defense.
is the scythe worth waiting for? a glorified vibro knuckler?
or should we all just lay down our swords and become BH's and Commandos.
i'm not sure.
i wish i could say that i want to keep waiting but i don't have the option anymore without armor.
maybe we just have to put down our swords for the next 2 months until all this is over and see where we stand.
i can promise you the next few weeks will not be fun for any of us.
Message Edited by haun on 02-21-2004 04:32 AM
Message Edited by haun on 02-21-2004 04:34 AM
Message Edited by haun on 02-21-2004 07:17 AM
AbaddonKauri
Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:43 am
#2
Yeah i agree with you, but when you look the whole thing, what they gave us on the last patchs... it just looks like it's the whole game that s*x.. truely, no balance, no future, no balance.. oh and no balance 
anyway now i don't care anymore, i'm just doing some pvp and duel around and cancelled my account...
the game wasn't that good before, but now it's really getting worse and worse
Artrus
Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:47 am
#3
Ya this game is getting worse everyday. Most people stick with the good professions like I saw tons of people going rifleman yesterday since they are the only class that dominates in PvP now. I tried to PvP yesterday and the most damage I did was under 100 as everyone has 80% armor now. When I wanted to go swordsman I thought it would be a heavy hitting class now I see that I hit for less damage then tka do as damage migration doesn't affect them. This game has never been too star warsy but now its just sad, now everyone wheres the best armor which can turn anyone into a meatshield and since theres no decay and everyone is wearing it so many are going rifleman to spam headshot with there jawa ions. This game truely has lost all its balance.
kozakaka
Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:41 am
#4
well don't just sit here whining, get out there before they nerf us!
Nova2WL
Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:35 am
#5
i agree with you haun...i am in the same situation as you are. my character is basically built for pve an warcy and bleeds were my best friends. they took away bleeds, and now they are taking away my warcry. next it will probably be our damage. they will lower that down too...but oh well its out of our hands
kozakaka wrote:
well don't just sit here whining, get out there before they nerf us!
i also agree with you and thats what im doing! hehe
Shadusdarkmour
Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:12 am
#6
Well I think the very spirit of the swordsman descibes my feelings. He carries an outdated weapon by his side but he doesnt care. He knows that the odds are againist him but he still fights on. The sword sybolizes more to him than just a weapon its a way of life, and hes not giving that up no matter how outdated it might be. I wont drop swordsman because of nerfing.While I came over looking for compliment to my fencer skills, Ifound myself enjoying swordsman as I do my fencer.At one time I gave into the calling to gojoin theprofession of the month which was commando at the time. I will never do so again. The fact is i dont mind being outdated and i dont mind losing , what bothers me most is the giving up of who we are by switching templates. My swordsman/ fencer matches my personalitymy skills, and my ideas perfectly. I wont sit ideally by and watch the devs nerf us. I will argue to the best of my abilities for balance here on these boards. But in game im not dropping swordsman, i will leave the game before i do so.
KolTaggar
Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:30 am
#7
/agree
The nerfing of warcry is probably the most devistating nerf swordsman(melee in general)will ever see
NashDarksabre
Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:38 am
#8
Well, I wouldn't go that far. Warcry 2 has never been as useful to me as our bleeds were. The bleed nerf was our biggest nerf ever. The warcry nerf is just kicking us while we are already down.
angristVong
Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:51 am
#9
Shadusdarkmour wrote:
Well I think the very spirit of the swordsman descibes my feelings. He carries an outdated weapon by his side but he doesnt care. He knows that the odds are againist him but he still fights on. The sword sybolizes more to him than just a weapon its a way of life, and hes not giving that up no matter how outdated it might be. I wont drop swordsman because of nerfing.While I came over looking for compliment to my fencer skills, Ifound myself enjoying swordsman as I do my fencer.At one time I gave into the calling to gojoin theprofession of the month which was commando at the time. I will never do so again. The fact is i dont mind being outdated and i dont mind losing , what bothers me most is the giving up of who we are by switching templates. My swordsman/ fencer matches my personalitymy skills, and my ideas perfectly. I wont sit ideally by and watch the devs nerf us. I will argue to the best of my abilities for balance here on these boards. But in game im not dropping swordsman, i will leave the game before i do so.
nice speech.
so when you say you are outdated does that mean you wear leather armor?
or do you favor 80 composite ?
haha
not flaming you but thats not an option for me.
i've done about every combat profession and swordsman is my favorite and fits my toon best (though i don't like fencer at all really and think its the exact opp of swordsman)
i'm glad you have a clear vision of what you want as that is usually very lacking in this game.
Soulburner69
Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:03 pm
#10
us swordsman, well not just us swordsman, but all of us melee underdogs (pikeman, fencer, and swordsman) have to stick together. We may be few, but we are the true warriors in this game, not just a gun toting maniac. We're the guys that are labeled psychopaths for bringing melee weapons into battle, and not a gun. And the people that are too blinded to see past the barrel of their gun cant realise that even though we have some decentpower we have to be within (roughly) five meters of our target to actually hit it with any kind of attack, when they can sit back and kill something before it gets to them. and that is why the bleed nerf hit the melee classes so hard, and that is why the devs are wanting to nerf our warcry's, and by putting a cap on defenses. We are not viewed as underdogs because we have to be within 20 meters for our lunge, or 5 to 10 meters for attacks, we are seen as a threat because we actually have to use tactics to survive. As for us swordsman we have less melee defense than a master commando (they have about 39 melee defense) when we only have 20 or so (27 with master brawler) we are also viewed as a threat because of our damage output, but what is damage output when it is hindered by high ham costs, slower speeds, and accuracy modifications?
hmm.. with saying that, i feel somewhat better. i just wish people would quit crying nerf it's pointless, and immature.
belegaraid
Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:08 pm
#11
"is the scythe worth waiting for? a glorified vibro knuckler?
or should we all just lay down our swords and become BH's and Commandos."
Thats what im doing, im sick of torturing myself by doing broken unbalanced professions waiting for them to get good.
I play videogames to have fun since there are only two fun professions i might as well be doing them.
NashDarksabre
Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:14 pm
#12
Actually, in the Star Wars universe, melee weapons are just as modern as blasters. In fact, there are even swords that can block lightsabers and blaster shots. Melee fighters, in the stories, are just as powerful, and useful, as ranged fighters.
Of course, the game is lacking a few things that would make this sound more logical (such as PSG's that are actually useful.).
Of course, the game is lacking a few things that would make this sound more logical (such as PSG's that are actually useful.).
Gimperial666
Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:00 pm
#13
True... this IS an over glorified (and exspensive) Beta...
But this game is still gonne keep changing 2 years from now.... so really its a psychology experiment more than anything...and were Pavilovs poor electrocuted Dogs right now.
The end picture isnt clear... But if we do wait for the revamps It may be worth sticking around.... the problem with that is we have to PAY for this game monthly and are expected to not want more for our money... they try to give it to us sure, but our voices seem to fall on deaf ears most of the time. Evreyone wants to be UBER... I dont think anyone actually WANTS a ballenced game... thats what it seems like the more i read peoples posts. WELL I WANT A BALANCED GAME... And i dont want to wait for it (and i dont want to pay to wait for it)...thats my problem... No funkdat... ITS SOE'S problem..
So ya know what, QUIT whinning and QUIT.
Thats the only way to have our voices heard... Put your money where your mouth is.
Or are you too addicted to the electrochock therapy?
Me im gonna stick around because ive allready paid for it. If this game doesnt meet the standards we have for our 15$ a month... Were taking it elsewhere.
Its a good thing worlds of war craft is still in coming out... and ill bet they wont CHARGE us for BETA TESTING... they may do it right.
So yeah SOE may have our initial rush-impulse-buy money (anyone whos played until now thas well over 200$)
But they aint getting it again if they cant get their crap together... theyre trying so hard right now...BECAUSE THEY KNOW THIS.
I cant blame the devs... Its the corparation BEHIND them. ITS ALL ABOUT THE SCRILLA.... But the devs care about the game they made (all artists love their creation) But devs youve gotta do better than that to keep the paychecks coming.
Sure this is an 8-12 hour a day job... that can burn anyone out day in day out.
BUT YOUR ARTISTS DAMNIT... TAKE MORE PRIDE IN YOUR WORK... DONT TELL US SHOW US.
The devs are just like all of us... they work, they need to eat, they need to keep their jobs... And to be honest SONY DOESNT CARE ABOUT THEM EITHER.
Dont let that trickle into our lives... your job it too keep the illusion alive.
But this game is still gonne keep changing 2 years from now.... so really its a psychology experiment more than anything...and were Pavilovs poor electrocuted Dogs right now.
The end picture isnt clear... But if we do wait for the revamps It may be worth sticking around.... the problem with that is we have to PAY for this game monthly and are expected to not want more for our money... they try to give it to us sure, but our voices seem to fall on deaf ears most of the time. Evreyone wants to be UBER... I dont think anyone actually WANTS a ballenced game... thats what it seems like the more i read peoples posts. WELL I WANT A BALANCED GAME... And i dont want to wait for it (and i dont want to pay to wait for it)...thats my problem... No funkdat... ITS SOE'S problem..
So ya know what, QUIT whinning and QUIT.
Thats the only way to have our voices heard... Put your money where your mouth is.
Or are you too addicted to the electrochock therapy?
Me im gonna stick around because ive allready paid for it. If this game doesnt meet the standards we have for our 15$ a month... Were taking it elsewhere.
Its a good thing worlds of war craft is still in coming out... and ill bet they wont CHARGE us for BETA TESTING... they may do it right.
So yeah SOE may have our initial rush-impulse-buy money (anyone whos played until now thas well over 200$)
But they aint getting it again if they cant get their crap together... theyre trying so hard right now...BECAUSE THEY KNOW THIS.
I cant blame the devs... Its the corparation BEHIND them. ITS ALL ABOUT THE SCRILLA.... But the devs care about the game they made (all artists love their creation) But devs youve gotta do better than that to keep the paychecks coming.
Sure this is an 8-12 hour a day job... that can burn anyone out day in day out.
BUT YOUR ARTISTS DAMNIT... TAKE MORE PRIDE IN YOUR WORK... DONT TELL US SHOW US.
The devs are just like all of us... they work, they need to eat, they need to keep their jobs... And to be honest SONY DOESNT CARE ABOUT THEM EITHER.
Dont let that trickle into our lives... your job it too keep the illusion alive.
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