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Thread: WOW! now that's a head hit
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monkeylips1
Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:32 am
#1
I have been PvP'ing a bit lately. I have run accros a particular swordsman that i am quite impressed with. I would like ot understand how he is pulling this off so that i can better defend against it.
I was in a 1v1 battle with this particular swordsman and i died in 3 hits. I am a jedi knight so i dont really have any meele defense to speak of. After the battle i checked my combat chat to see what happened. I was sclap slammed 3 times all just shy of 1100 damage and it happened in a matter of seconds. I spoke to this swordsman and he claims that his hammer is 670 max damage.
I have researced how PvP damage is calculated a bit and worked with several swordsmen to try to recreate this scenario. I even went as far as to buy my wife the 800 max hammer on the trade boars recently as she is a swordsman as well. I could not find anyone to hit anywhere near that amount. With the 800 max hammer she was only able to hit me for 451 and most were in the 200 to 300 range.
Any help understanding this would be apreciated as i am trying to figure out how to defend.
Thanks for the help,
I am Lazurus
Message Edited by monkeylips1 on 12-27-2004 11:33 PM
Moosemanuk
Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:57 am
#2
Perhaps his hammer was powered up with a decent damage p-up ?
monkeylips1
Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:00 am
#3
but shouldnt it sstill do a fraction of max damage in pvp? it would take a 60% pup just to get the max damage that high and then it woud cut it for PVP
sknomad
Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:04 am
#4
While I don't know exactly how the pvp damage works.. to my understanding there is a 75% penalty to damage...
With my gimpy 612 dmg hammer, I hit mobs for well over 3k damage (I would guess probably 3500-3600 is the highest I've hit for) ..
3500 - 75% = 875
my other hammer that has a speed slice and is (can't recall exactly) around 550 damage hits for around 2500-2800 damage to mobs..
if his hammer is an additional 60 points over mine.. add in the multiplier.. I think most likely you could see headhits of around that number.. and considering you have no armor on (do you have melee mitigation of some sort?) that damage could... go straight to your head =)
but again.. I have no knowledge of what the exact calculation is for pvp dmg..
With my gimpy 612 dmg hammer, I hit mobs for well over 3k damage (I would guess probably 3500-3600 is the highest I've hit for) ..
3500 - 75% = 875
my other hammer that has a speed slice and is (can't recall exactly) around 550 damage hits for around 2500-2800 damage to mobs..
if his hammer is an additional 60 points over mine.. add in the multiplier.. I think most likely you could see headhits of around that number.. and considering you have no armor on (do you have melee mitigation of some sort?) that damage could... go straight to your head =)
but again.. I have no knowledge of what the exact calculation is for pvp dmg..
Janann
Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:45 am
#5
I doubt the hammer is really only 670 max damage if he is a very good PvPer and hits 1k hits so often. He may have an exceptional PH and don't want to reveal the secret? So why not ask him to show it to you? 
BTW calculating damage nowadays is quite difficult since you have to remember the melee damage mitigation so you have know the min damage too.
RandomPrecision
Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:35 am
#7
vnicula wrote:
2) I really cant understand why didnt you Heal Mind Self2 (assuming Healer 3xxx) after first hit.
monkeylips1 wrote:
I was in a 1v1 battle with this particular swordsman and i died in 3 hits. I am a jedi knight so i dont really have any meele defense to speak of. After the battle i checked my combat chat to see what happened. I was sclap slammed 3 times all just shy of 1100 damage and it happened in a matter of seconds.
DarthDigital
Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:11 am
#8
use force armor 
its the only thing that keeps the jedi on my server alive from my exceptional ph at 1789 dmg but with my normal 710 hammer i hit a all ranged stacker and a jedi without force armor for 1750+ all the time
Doctare
Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:45 pm
#10
more than likely a double sliced, 700 max dmg PH 2 begin with. i would report the guy cause something like that should not be used in pvp
AelricMistrider
Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:13 am
#11
Doctare wrote:more than likely a double sliced, 700 max dmg PH 2 begin with. i would report the guy cause something like that should not be used in pvp
That's kind of a pointed generalization, don't you think? You have to remember, as a Jedi, he has NO mitigation of any kind, and a good hammer that is damage sliced and powered up will definitely hurt anyone if used properly, given that non-mitigation factor.
I have an Acklay PH that goes to 850 max when powered up, is that an exploit? Would you ban me for it if I killed you in PvP?
See what I'm getting at there?
Don't automatically call the weilder an "exploiter", that's where unnecessary bans end up happening to innocent players.
Message Edited by AelricMistrider on 12-31-2004 10:15 AM
DarthDigital
Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:50 am
#12
JediForceSeeker wrote:
Wonder what that 1900+ Damage PH would do in PvP.
ill get back to you on that one..
jerZun
Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:05 pm
#13
DarthDigital wrote:
JediForceSeeker wrote:
Wonder what that 1900+ Damage PH would do in PvP.
ill get back to you on that one..
Against a TKM it does hardly any damage... but against a rifleman without melee mitigation 3.. it hits for around 1500-2k i believe. Im not too sure because they usually die in 1-2 swings.
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