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Thread: AP3 Sword: Fact, Fiction, or Rumor?
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DarthVillanus
Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:56 pm
#1
I keep hearing that there is a Ap3 sword in the works. It makes sense since swordsman is the rifleman of melee professions. We hit hard but are offset by low defenses and slow weapons. I just don't know if the devs have listened to our plea.
Anyone have any info?
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capzyL
Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:45 pm
#2
having huge problems beliving that tbh, swordsman is the most "solo" oriented profession in the game, and a good swordsman can even give a rifleman a run for his money. By giving swordsman AP3 you would flip this over, how about TKA with AP1? or fencer with AP0? (they have a **edit**y vibro blade yeah bt id dosent count) or how abour pikeman with the worst dmg muliplyer on the master "attack"?
This will never, ever happen, it cant.
CyberBob123
Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:45 am
#3
I think we deserve a ap3 sword around the dmg of a scythe. tka doesnt deserve any ap since they are unarmed, fencer needs ap0 on the baton and ap1 on the gaffi maybe, and pikemen can be very good if they have the correct weapons and speed mods.
Daishidemon
Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:18 am
#4
Give pikeman the AP3 instead, or make their area attacks more potent with a higher damage multiplyer.
Ap3 would be nice against those bloody krayts or elders, but hey, we can already solo them no sweat, why make it easier for us? 
DarthVillanus
Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:45 am
#5
Well this really isn't about whether swordsmen should get an ap3 weapon. I was just wondering if there are any plans for it.
Besides anything a swordsman can solo, a rifleman can solo and do it faster.
LordVisivius
Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:19 am
#6
I bloody disagree with that last statement...lol..I was a master rifleman but got tired of watching the Master Swordsman run up to my Tusken Warlord, who I already been engaged in combat with, hit him 2 times and then get credit for the kill. Master rifleman can be outdamaged by TKAs, Swordsman and probably a lot of other classes. NOw if you had your speed maxed out with a 500 krayt rifle...MAYBE that could be true, but rifleman also know you can't go head to head with NightSister Elder(s) and win unless you're conceal shotting them. And that takes FOREVER to kill anything. So again, that Master Swordsman can run up beat on it for a minute and get credit for the kill, steal the loot that I had spent 20 minutes conceal shotting. It's happened to many times. I was just a plain old Master Rifleman with a trusty T21 with no modifications other than what was given in the tree
DarthVillanus wrote:
Well this really isn't about whether swordsmen should get an ap3 weapon. I was just wondering if there are any plans for it.
Besides anything a swordsman can solo, a rifleman can solo and do it faster.
Head over to the rifleman forum if you want to read about who can outdamage who faster..lol
DarthVillanus
Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:27 am
#8
I have also been a master rifleman. I was speed capped and absolutely no one could outdamage me unless it was another rifleman with a 750 dmg T-21. I laughed at swordsman.
T-21 = the win
Magnite
Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:35 am
#9
Swordsmen is not the rifle of the melee class. Pikemen are. The original structure was as follows:
Fencer: Best defence, lowest damage
Swordsmen: Medium of both
Pike: Lowest defence, highest damage
Let me tell you, thats now exactly how things worked out.
Fencer: Best defence, lowest damage
Swordsmen: Medium of both
Pike: Lowest defence, highest damage
Let me tell you, thats now exactly how things worked out.
DarthVillanus
Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:38 pm
#10
Magnite wrote:
Swordsmen is not the rifle of the melee class. Pikemen are. The original structure was as follows:
Fencer: Best defence, lowest damage
Swordsmen: Medium of both
Pike: Lowest defence, highest damage
Let me tell you, thats now exactly how things worked out.
Fencer: Best defence, lowest damage
Swordsmen: Medium of both
Pike: Lowest defence, highest damage
Let me tell you, thats now exactly how things worked out.
Pikeman isn't the rifle of melee class
Pikeman has 1 ap2 weapon. Swordsman has 6. It's not hard to see which melee class was designed to be the hardest hitting.
Pikeman has 1 ap2 weapon. Swordsman has 6. It's not hard to see which melee class was designed to be the hardest hitting.
CyberBob123
Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:09 pm
#11
the right pikeman can be the rifleman of melee, I have watched a pikeman outdamge jedi so as long as you are setup thats all that matters.
And we do deserve and should get a ap3 wep Kilon, I was simply replying to the other guy saying that tk's and fencers should have higher ap.....I mean come on
Message Edited by CyberBob123 on 08-27-2004 07:10 PM
Pvt
Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:08 pm
#12
Magnite wrote:
Swordsmen is not the rifle of the melee class. Pikemen are. The original structure was as follows:
Fencer: Best defence, lowest damage
Swordsmen: Medium of both
Pike: Lowest defence, highest damage
Let me tell you, thats now exactly how things worked out.
I don't believe this is accuracte. Each Ranged Proffesion has a melee counter part. If you look at it it's clear that Pikeman were meant to be in the middle and Swordsman are supposed to put out the most damage.
Pistoleer - Fencer = Low Damage -Fast Attacks - High Defenses -Health Special Hits
Carbineer - Pikeman = Medium Damage - Medium Speed Attacks - Medium Defenses- Action Special Hits
Rifleman - Swordsman = High Damage - Slow Attacks - Low Defenses - Mind Special Hits
Teras Kasi is the complete average. Can attack any pool with so - so damage but nothing major and does not focus on one specific pool.
Pikeman has more defenses or the exact same defenses as Swordsman in every area but Defense Vs. KD. Swordsman have +5 more for some reason but other than that they are either the same or Pikeman has a higher number.
Message Edited by Pvt on 08-27-2004 06:11 PM
HavocX1
Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:56 pm
#13
Daishidemon wrote:speed cap + strafe shot = rifleman wins
speed cap + head hit + 600 damage PH = swordsman wins
we dont need an AP3 weapon, that would completly tip the scales. fencer does'nt need a good AP1 weapon with how fast they hit and the good defenses and state specials they get, same goes for TKA.
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