Swordsman Archive
Thread: Stun vs. Blind: The Swordsman Point of View
Oddof
Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:59 am
#40
APEist_theReb wrote:id liek to hav a stun cuz liek we g3t a blind at 2 hand spin 3 so we d0nt really needz a nother 1, lol noobz!als0 dont forget 2 bl33d ur enemy for teh uber pwn!!!2 h4nd sweep 2 for teh w1n!!!!
Hehe
but seriously folks, I doubt that we swordsmen will ever get a dedicated stun/blind, there is no real need for it, for this reason...When was the last time you saw a Mob and though, hmm...I can't kill him solo (besides DJM's,and that freaking Mokk Rockshaper). There really isn't anything in this game that a MHS can't drop within 20-30 minutes of HH3, sure, stun will cut that time in half, but it's not even required. On the other hand, with a dedicated Stun attack, PvP might get a bit easier.
just my 2 cred.
APEist_theReb
Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:16 pm
#41
Oddof wrote:
APEist_theReb wrote:
id liek to hav a stun cuz liek we g3t a blind at 2 hand spin 3 so we d0nt really needz a nother 1, lol noobz!
als0 dont forget 2 bl33d ur enemy for teh uber pwn!!!
2 h4nd sweep 2 for teh w1n!!!!
Hehe
but seriously folks, I doubt that we swordsmen will ever get a dedicated stun/blind, there is no real need for it, for this reason...When was the last time you saw a Mob and though, hmm...I can't kill him solo (besides DJM's,and that freaking Mokk Rockshaper). There really isn't anything in this game that a MHS can't drop within 20-30 minutes of HH3, sure, stun will cut that time in half, but it's not even required. On the other hand, with a dedicated Stun attack, PvP might get a bit easier.
just my 2 cred.
Im not sure if easier = better.
need a challenge every now and then lol
VYRIS
Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:25 pm
#42
Well you can do it all. I am Master Sword/Master Brawler/TKM/Fencer 3440
I start out with TK and intim 2, then stun, blind and dizzy. Then I go for the lunge, and while they are flopping, I bust out the Scythe and whack whack whack. The dizzy on Area Attack 3 is not as reliable as TK's. I find TK's state effects to work real well. I have Fencer for pure defenses.
Noc-turnal
Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:37 pm
#43
Oddof wrote:
but seriously folks, I doubt that we swordsmen will ever get a dedicated stun/blind, there is no real need for it, for this reason...When was the last time you saw a Mob and though, hmm...I can't kill him solo (besides DJM's,and that freaking Mokk Rockshaper). There really isn't anything in this game that a MHS can't drop within 20-30 minutes of HH3, sure, stun will cut that time in half, but it's not even required. On the other hand, with a dedicated Stun attack, PvP might get a bit easier.
just my 2 cred.
Well i wouldnt entirely agree with us not needing blind nor stun. What i mean to say is that we do need somethinng, we're lacking abit of variety. We may supositly be the powerhouse but with that need to come along with grace. Power without control is useless, so power without balance is one without control i feel.
As i had mention before Niether blind nor stun really suits us.I'm not sure what we need maybe something like focusing attacking, oppersit of center of being, where by we increase percentage of hitting the higher end of the damage range or something to enhance offensive ability in someway that doesnt directly strip down people's defense rather we smash through it.
Oh what about....... a status that cuts down the attack speed ? This way we A) get defense compensation as less speed means less hits coming at you and B) we get more indirect offense as dont have to spend as much time on the defensive? hmmm on secound thought non of my ideas are actualy any good nor fit into the swordman's feel. i dont have anwser just notice the problem 
veegen
Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:46 am
#44
Youcan get both stun and dizzy by dabbling, but changing weapons sucks, especially whne its sorta laggy like it always is in theed and places like that. I am master fencer and master swordsman, and the dizzy chance is so minimal that I must use fencer dizzy2 (and I add in a blind2 if I feel like it 
) then a lunge2, back to swordsman and then headhit spam if the dizzy/kd works.
) then a lunge2, back to swordsman and then headhit spam if the dizzy/kd works.Astun move for swordsman would really make my day, I see more "miss" and "dodge" as a swordsman than anything else I have played (havent played pike ) and it really ruins our DPS. Im thinking of taking up TKA for the dizzy/kd instead, and they also have a stun move, but then ill loose some of fencers defense .... well ill see.
) and it really ruins our DPS. Im thinking of taking up TKA for the dizzy/kd instead, and they also have a stun move, but then ill loose some of fencers defense .... well ill see.
APEist_theReb
Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:44 am
#45
VYRIS wrote:
Well you can do it all. I am Master Sword/Master Brawler/TKM/Fencer 3440
I start out with TK and intim 2, then stun, blind and dizzy. Then I go for the lunge, and while they are flopping, I bust out the Scythe and whack whack whack. The dizzy on Area Attack 3 is not as reliable as TK's. I find TK's state effects to work real well. I have Fencer for pure defenses.
Nobody asked you
anyways. yea with only the meditate line in tka i would equip my 1.6 speed, +23 to all ranges vk's and dizzy and stun after i intimidate them. then they go down with the sword. but if its like a bh/carbs or someone who i know has low defense ill go head and stick dizzy with 2 hand hit 3.
VYRIS
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:24 pm
#46
Lol /guildremove APEist
APEist_theReb wrote:
VYRIS wrote:
Well you can do it all. I am Master Sword/Master Brawler/TKM/Fencer 3440
I start out with TK and intim 2, then stun, blind and dizzy. Then I go for the lunge, and while they are flopping, I bust out the Scythe and whack whack whack. The dizzy on Area Attack 3 is not as reliable as TK's. I find TK's state effects to work real well. I have Fencer for pure defenses.
Nobody asked you
anyways. yea with only the meditate line in tka i would equip my 1.6 speed, +23 to all ranges vk's and dizzy and stun after i intimidate them. then they go down with the sword. but if its like a bh/carbs or someone who i know has low defense ill go head and stick dizzy with 2 hand hit 3.
VYRIS
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:28 pm
#47
Yeah weapons switching sucks, so I only do it when they are KDed or Warcried. So far so good though. I go from unarmed, to scythe, to mind fire survival knife for the gteffers.
TreindTyde wrote:
VYRIS wrote:
Well you can do it all. I am Master Sword/Master Brawler/TKM/Fencer 3440
I start out with TK and intim 2, then stun, blind and dizzy. Then I go for the lunge, and while they are flopping, I bust out the Scythe and whack whack whack. The dizzy on Area Attack 3 is not as reliable as TK's. I find TK's state effects to work real well. I have Fencer for pure defenses.
Check out the sig for my template, but I do a similar thing to that. I just hate switching weapons, it's so annoying and takes up valuable time I think.
APEist_theReb
Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:33 pm
#48
laz keep watch on the last time uve /center'd tho.
like for a macro, if you go to vk to lay on some states and while your doing that you center, your going to have a tka center going, and when u switch back to swords your gonna be a few (deadly) seconds without a cob at all. i make sure i have recently cob'd before i switch weapons and apply states, so i dont have to worry about that.
veegen
Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:29 pm
#49
Blackpool wrote:
Yeah weapons switching sucks, so I only do it when they are KDed or Warcried. So far so good though. I go from unarmed, to scythe, to mind fire survival knife for the gteffers.
So if you warcry a KDd person they cant stand up ???? LoL I had no idea about that. Then you can dizzy/kd, warcry, take your time to switch weapons, then attack and they will still be down. Cool
VYRIS
Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:06 pm
#50
I always COB with my scythe before action. I don't time COB with weapon switching, but it all seems to be good. I switch from Sword to TK to Fencer and don't notice a drop in defenses.
APEist_theReb wrote:
laz keep watch on the last time uve /center'd tho.
like for a macro, if you go to vk to lay on some states and while your doing that you center, your going to have a tka center going, and when u switch back to swords your gonna be a few (deadly) seconds without a cob at all. i make sure i have recently cob'd before i switch weapons and apply states, so i dont have to worry about that.
Imspaced
Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:26 pm
#51
PvE wise, most high lvl mobs either would stick, PvP wise, depends on what hits you most, if its ranged; you want a blind, if its melee, you want a stun.
APEist_theReb
Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:06 pm
#52
ok... but trust me bro its only a matter of time. youll only notice it against heavy damage dealers btw. its because the duration is shorter on ur tka meditation since your not master. dont worry about switching between fencer/swords cuz u have the same duration. u get those knucks out to put on some states and cob with em, you ll be cob;d for like 28 seconds or so and ur macro is set for 36 or whatever. so once that cob wears off youll be un /cob'd for the next 8 seconds. i didnt notice it till about mid summer, i presume cuz i was lucky and never cob'd with my knucks equiped, but when ur fighting a good rifleman or any opponent for that matter, u wanna be careful, trust me.