Swordsman Archive
Thread: Executioner's Hack: Updated
Master_P
Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:05 am
#41
damn! TKA is going to BE OVERPOWERD whit this new weapon StGabrial had!
just think what this weapon can do whit a good Dmg slice and a 16% max dmg power up!
wel give swordsman a "new" nice (none scythe) weapon!
just think what this weapon can do whit a good Dmg slice and a 16% max dmg power up!
wel give swordsman a "new" nice (none scythe) weapon!
raider7734
Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:49 am
#42
Syzygy-Gorath wrote:
Oh, I think I have an idea why people want cold damage. Check out the resists on a Canyon Krayt Ancient or a Canyon Krayt Dragon. While I wouldn't mind tearing through these things, I just can't see any justification for cold damage. Electricity I could see, and I wouldn't mind wielding an electrified axe…but cold just doesn't make any sense to me. *shrugs*
good point, and that's whywe should notaskforAP3 cold, it would simply be too good against krayts
Ithink they got this weapon just about right:it's much better than a cleaver, not as good as a scythe, and it's an Axe...all of that seems right for a Brawler / two hand 4 weapon
that being said, as a master Swordsman, I don't see it bringing anything new to the table beyond low mind cost, and I won't be picking one up just for that
much as I want to see us get AP3 and a different damage type, I think those things are best saved for weapons that look like swordsand whose certs are in Swordsman somewhere
WarFerret
Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:01 am
#43
Even AP3 is worthless against some of the 100% blast/kinetic resistant mobs out there, as it stands this weapon is pretty useless, ok, it's a scythe that we don't need to get a quest based schematic for, that's useful, but that's the only advantage this thing has over the scythe.
Why do we need another kinetic weapon ? Haven't the devs got any imagination ? The new TK VK is heat damage, from something that just looks like a piece of sharp metal, so I don't see why this couldn't be heat or cold damage, considering it's made by the same people (stun doesn't make any sense).
Pikeys need some alternate damage types as well, hell, all the melee classes need some loving in the dmg type stakes.
Soulburner69
Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:27 am
#44
Kinetic dmg version-
170-340
4.5 speed
+5/0/+5
ap3
45% wound
same ham
i like the looks of that for this axe. as much as i would like to see it have a different damage, i can go with a direct ap3 weapon even if it is is kenitic damage (or we can try convincing the devs that a two handed axe is a really heavy weapon with a generally thick blade and should do both kenitic and blast damage 
). But with the whole "this should be a brawler weapon" argument, yes leave it in the two handed four certifaction. The people saying this shouldnt be a brawler weapon are the ones that dont like the powerhammer and use a curved sword, or a cleaver most of the time instead, and the big thing about that is the cleaver, and the curved sword are both brawler weapons. All swordsman use a brawler certified weapon from the two handed tree because the only kenitic weapon in the swordsman skill level is the incredibly hard to get scythe. Personally i use the two hand axe as my alternate weapon to the powerhammer. The hack would be a great addition to the two handed arsenal, as we are not just swordsman, but we are also two handed melee weapon weilders. and anyways not many people would use a two handed weapon unless they were either going to go swordsman, or they were just working on getting master brawler. Or as far as the scythe and this axe go, they would carry them arround because the two weapons look kick ass.
). But with the whole "this should be a brawler weapon" argument, yes leave it in the two handed four certifaction. The people saying this shouldnt be a brawler weapon are the ones that dont like the powerhammer and use a curved sword, or a cleaver most of the time instead, and the big thing about that is the cleaver, and the curved sword are both brawler weapons. All swordsman use a brawler certified weapon from the two handed tree because the only kenitic weapon in the swordsman skill level is the incredibly hard to get scythe. Personally i use the two hand axe as my alternate weapon to the powerhammer. The hack would be a great addition to the two handed arsenal, as we are not just swordsman, but we are also two handed melee weapon weilders. and anyways not many people would use a two handed weapon unless they were either going to go swordsman, or they were just working on getting master brawler. Or as far as the scythe and this axe go, they would carry them arround because the two weapons look kick ass.Message Edited by Soulburner69 on 04-16-2004 10:30 AM
Chrysahor
Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:33 am
#45
SauerSiggy wrote:220-390 4.0 speed sounds good?
but throw in some decent 140/140 acklay bones, and you'll be looking at 241-372 4.0
Hmm, for my information...did you ever seen such bones post-nerf?
Just look at the new tka toy: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~stgabrie/bsrk.jpg
With their unarmed damages it's 350-500...they've 110 unarmed speed and mitigation doensn't really affect damages output. Look at wound chances...I'm sick...are they the heavy hitters? 200 unarmed accuracy isn't enough? Np, they get good range mods. Right now mitigation is only for pvp, but when it'll help in pve aswell, we'll be outdamaged even with an AP3 weapon lol.
Do they intend to balance all this with the combat pass? Why new weapons aren't balanced throught all professions?
Maybe I've miss something in the crafting process, but I don't see why all blacksun guys don't go unarmed instead of taking such an axe. :/
Cakins7005
Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:43 am
#46
Make it AP 3 andcold but also make it have damage and speed comparable to a powerhammer. As for the certification, who cares? The Jawa Ion Rifle is certified at rifles 4 and we know what a "terrible" weapon it is in PvP 
Message Edited by Cakins7005 on 04-16-2004 10:50 AM
Jockothemonkey
Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:16 am
#47
Cold + Ap3 is too much. The best we can hope for is either a new damage type, or an ap3 weapon. One thing to consider is that this weapon may have been put in just to fill the cert gap in two hand IV where the scythe cert used to be. If that is all this weapon is meant to do then I don't think we can expect that much from it.
WarFerret
Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:22 am
#48
There is no cert gap, the scythe and cleaver are both in Two Handed IV, the scythe was moved, so why does it need to be replaced with anything ?
WarFerret
Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:50 am
#50
Whilst there are 100% blast/kinetic resistant mobs out there, I want a third damage type far more than I want a higher AP level.
eeewahwoowah
Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:41 pm
#51
this is a novice brawler weapon
is is NOT a swordsman weapon
hardly worth getting in a knot about, as it should be on a par with the cleaver.
[we do need more SWORDSMAN weapons, but this is not one]
atimes
Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:55 pm
#52
As a pikeman seeing you guys "complain" about this "awful and redundant weapon that's just AP2 and kinetic" makes me want to cry. . . .
You guys have no idea how good you have it right now.
Again as I said in the last thread about this weapon. Congrats on yet another weapon that drops from a mob you can actually damage.
If a dev ever reads this post could you share the love just a little bit with the pikemen please. Thank you.