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Funny you mention TK's, I was just at Fort Tusken, a dude with a BH title is using Spitting Rawl for 3-4k dmg per sec, and I'm using headhit2 for 1-4k every 3 seconds. Pretty sick, with that dps why be a swordsman at all? If you can get awesome defenses and still outdamage heavy combat classes, why would anyone be anything else?

Can you say Fundamental Game Design Problem? Knew you could.

Yeah, I know. I'm only 2222 Sword too, but somehow I feel like what's the point? TK out dps's me and gets awesome defenses and can heal themselves.

I honestly dont think ive ever been outdamaged by a TKA on most things I fight. Anything WORTH killing you can normally do better damage then any tka could against it.

As far as being a FOTM it is for the people that want to PvP and PvE. Between rifles/swords I can easily hold my own in PvP and still rule in PvE, for those that want JUST PvP you wont see many swordsman.

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Syzygy-Gorath wrote:

Nothing wrong with TKs What? I like power boost…and force of will. They let me swing the hammer longer. Oh, and the defenses are pretty nice, too. But good lord, use a VK instead of my hammer or scythe? Not often.

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TKA Defences at Master level.
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Def vs Dizzy +5
Def vs Posture Change +30
Ranged Defence +45
Def vs Blind +10
Def vs Knockdown +20
Def vs Stun +15
Melee Defence +62

Agree with everything except this part, the "awesome" TKM defences....lol...

And Swordsman is the FOTM currently on Eclipse. Possibly 36k Rancor missions in under 2 mins with a scythe has something to do with it,..

Message Edited by Defconn on 04-27-2004 02:36 PM

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DarthCedric wrote:
Yeah, I know. I'm only 2222 Sword too, but somehow I feel like what's the point? TK out dps's me and gets awesome defenses and can heal themselves.

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Get MHS...plus a decent Scythe...then compare. At Swordsman 2-2-2-2, a Master Brawler could kill you. Won't take a TKM.

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Defconn wrote:


TKA Defences at Master level.
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Def vs Dizzy +5
Def vs Posture Change +30
Ranged Defence +45
Def vs Blind +10
Def vs Knockdown +20
Def vs Stun +15
Melee Defence +62

Agree with everything except this part, the "awesome" TKM defences....lol...

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He said they were "pretty good" and they are. 3x more ranged/melee than swordsman and 2x more than pikeman. Second from worst or tied for worse Def vs X stats, but also +55 combat equilibrium which is 25 more than fencer and 55 more than swordsman or pikeman. Not to mention 57 toughness, compared to 43 swordsman, 32 fencer and 26 pikeman. One could argue powerboost could be considered as extra defenses as well.

Overall, that is "pretty good."

antares
master pikeman

there are definetely not many swordsman on Ahazi. Its sometimes hard to get a trainer. Ad I know what Im talking about. Ive had ppl who were really gratefull to me that I tought them TKM and Rifleman are the most popular professions here

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Defconn wrote:
I would agree with "pretty good". The word "awesome" comes out in DarthCedric's post.

And we could argue till the cows come home. How about "counterattack"? Would that be a defensive stat or offensive? I notice you also interestingly make no mention of "Dodge", and CoB?

Ultimately, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Last I heard, Fencers still owned TKA's, and competent swordsmen were about at par. Speed capped Pikemen with good looted LVA's (who know how to use easily looted dot weapons to multi-dot the tkm) also own tkm's, and it's quite easy and cheap to cap the speed of a pikeman. (consider Eclipse's price of 1.4 mil credits for a +9 pike speed sea, compared to 14.5 mil for a 2H speed sea).

So, "pretty good" would imply an above-average. So why does everyone say TKM's are over-powered, if their defences are only "pretty good"?

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I meant Awesome compared to Swordsman stats. Of course, everyone has their own opinion and mine is that if unarmed is pumping out the kind of damage I saw tonite, then the Heavy in MHS is a rather meaningless concept, since fists are heavier than my power hammer.

Yeah, I know Master makes a lot of difference but then again, the other guy wasn't a master TK either(BH with Stalker title), so yeah, I think doing 3x DPS that I was means there is a fundamental problem with the melee class balance in this game.

Message Edited by DarthCedric on 04-27-2004 03:03 AM

Plenty of Swordsmen on Chilastra. I ran through it and loved it during my Hologrind. I enjoyed it so much so that as soon as I unlocked I ran straight for it. Every template I designed is built around it.

The Scythe brought newer Swordsmen out in droves. I can see why. It's a fabulous weapon. The "Battlemaster" title is a very popular one these days and most folks wearing it hold a Scythe in hand.

Alas, the speed and accuracy issue present with the Swordsman signature weapon seem to be keeping it from pvp dominance over Rifle/CM builds. I'm hoping things stay that way. I presume that as more of the newer weapons are added that people will spread out a bit. Me? I'm stayin!

JZ

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DarthCedric wrote:

I meant Awesome compared to Swordsman stats. Of course, everyone has their own opinion and mine is that if unarmed is pumping out the kind of damage I saw tonite, then the Heavy in MHS is a rather meaningless concept, since fists are heavier than my power hammer.

Yeah, I know Master makes a lot of difference but then again, the other guy wasn't a master TK either(BH with Stalker title), so yeah, I think doing 3x DPS that I was means there is a fundamental problem with the melee class balance in this game.

Message Edited by DarthCedric on 04-27-2004 03:03 AM

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a) You obviously haven't seen me do Rancor Lair missions with a scythe. Basically done in under 2 mins. If you think it exaggeration, then make a character on Eclipse and I will prove it. I am also a TKM, and I can also show you how fast a TKM does this mission...and it takes considerably longer. Then again, I might be biased. So, you can get your own TKM, if you really want totest realdamage output.

b) Titles mean nothing.When I don't want to be disturbed, I run around with a Novice Brawler or Warrior title. The scythe, however, tends to give me away...

I NEVER hunt as a TKM these days now that I have a good power-hammer and a good scythe. The only time I ever switch to VK's is when I de-buff, intimidate, and do the cursary attempt to KD/Dizzy, which, on higher level mobs sticks once in about 10 - 15 tries, so it's a waste of ham.

certainly seeing a lot more on eclipse...making anything to do with 2 handed stupidly expensive

depends whatu like doing realy i aint big on pvp.

here on eclipse theres still crap loads of grinders.

pvp = rm/cm still FOTM here

u see the odd hvy swordsman but no where near the amount of tkm fencers rm so on and so on most the serious swordsmen here are the pro ns elder killers or krayt killers like myself swordsman/dr theres 4 or 5 of us with that template that i know of i also have polearms 4 as i still have some nice dot pikes that if i have to PVP i try to use.

But as for FOTM na no way certainly not here on eclipse.

Itreh Wirne

master swordsman, master Dr, polearms 4 all SP used