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Noc-turnal

Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:59 pm

GarronDarkweaver wrote:

haha yeah im definately too dumn. Ever heared of melee mitigation ? there is an 800 damage difference between the min and max on that hammer, its damage would be pittiful against another melee user compared to an acklay hammer with 350-650 damage.

it is true melee migration kills that kind of high range stats, range fighters would eat it tho. The art of swordmanship is far beyond then just pure damage and head wack spam. being able to deal damage isnt the only factor in pvp. The range accuracy mod of your weapon is so often underestimated factor.

Still a lethal stats for PvE tho, i'd definately would keep it for hunting high end mob

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Noc-turnal

Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:18 am

#15

GarronDarkweaver wrote:

I have explored it properly, i always use well timed warcrys and posture downs etc, but my point is that we offer nothing other than a damage dealing roll. We cant effectively kd/dizzy as our dizzy wears off far too fast and isnt reliable, we dont have any other states to apply and we cant dot so basically we are soley a damage dealing class.

Id love to learn how to keep people on the floor with swordsman if you do know how, as im probably going to have to result to picking up a little pike to effect the tkm stackers more due to their toughness. If you can find it in your heart to tell me please drop me a line

See this is where you gone wrong, "we cant effectively dizzy" "our dizzy wears off too fast", we can effectively dizzy as good as anyone else, knowing the right way to do it is the key. dizzy and kd/posture is entirely depending on your foe's defense. (they are eliment of luck for def stackers but i dont put luck into caculating a fight)

The speed of dizzy wearing off isnt much faster than anyone else, and the way we apply the dizzy means we get good damage or posture chance with it too, so infact our moves are better than most. i admit i actualy stack defense cos lets face it swordman defense is poo. i f34r the status because i know how dealy they are.

I would share with you how is it that i can infinatly floor a person using swordman's moves (yes i can even out do a Doctor but very hard and some of them have looping macro) but i fear that if people start abusing it we'll get nerfed so the secret stays with me, the guild and maybe a few fellow faction members

so what we really lack is the aviability of good DoT weapons but frankly i hate dot weapons when we see the remove of melee migration, then can dot us all they like we'll still kill them faster. thats they way it should be DoT should be support not main killing offense

Message Edited by Noc-turnal on 09-08-2004 04:22 PM

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TreindTyde

Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:29 am

#16

Noc-turnal wrote:

I would share with you how is it that i can infinatly floor a person using swordman's moves (yes i can even out do a Doctor but very hard and some of them have looping macro) but i fear that if people start abusing it we'll get nerfed so the secret stays with me, the guild and maybe a few fellow faction members

Abusing the tactic? So it's an exploit?

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Isvurx

Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:58 am

#17

TreindTyde wrote:

Noc-turnal wrote:

I would share with you how is it that i can infinatly floor a person using swordman's moves (yes i can even out do a Doctor but very hard and some of them have looping macro) but i fear that if people start abusing it we'll get nerfed so the secret stays with me, the guild and maybe a few fellow faction members

Abusing the tactic? So it's an exploit?

No I don't think he is talking about an exploit, but if the info becomes available to all, the nerf cries will come and it will get nerfed as it is considered"unbalanced"

rexan

Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:58 am

#18

ShOckEdImpY wrote:

Look at this bad boy...>What would you pay ?

Power Hammer

1058/1082

258-1014

5.9 Speed

Thanks

So what were the stats on the bone you used?

I'm going to have to agree with Kazumasa, the difference between min and max damage seems too hight to me.

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KorbanRyuan

Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:12 am

#19

My friend has a 1400 max damage hammer on our server. Not sure what the min or speed is but all I know is three hits and almost everything is dead.

dragonisthedoor

Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:57 am

#20

So I did the math on how melee mitigation would affect this weapon compared to the suggested 350-650 weapon using the following thread.

Basically I found out that if the damage is 258-1014 then melee mitigation 3 will change the range to:
258 - 560
A 350 - 650 weapon will be mitigated by mit 3 to: (drumroll)
350 - 470

So you'll see that the high end is still higher (by 90 points) and the low end stays the same (lower than the second one by less than 100 points).

Now the average value of these 2 is so similar that the only noticeable difference would be that the "UBER Power Hammer" would have a chance to hit higher on any given swing (and a chance to hit lower, lol)

BTW, if anyone wants to check my math, please do.

Message Edited by dragonisthedoor on 09-08-2004 02:10 PM

Drache

Xispin

Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:24 pm

#21

GarronDarkweaver wrote:

haha yeah im definately too dumn. Ever heared of melee mitigation ? there is an 800 damage difference between the min and max on that hammer, its damage would be pittiful against another melee user compared to an acklay hammer with 350-650 damage.

rofl since when is 258 consided a bad min. damage?

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GarronDarkweaver

Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:46 pm

#22

ffs comparatively to the max damage it is a pittiful minimum damage, the difference between the two is 800 points. It would be a good min damage on a 500 max hammer but not on that.

And im not a girl, i just chose that pick of a female rodian for a laugh

ill change it back to my stormy now.

also noc, ive been every melee prof going many times each and i can assure you, our dizzy wears off faster than most of them, i dont know why, i cant prove it with baffling facts and figures but to me it just seems too.

Given that i know you in game and i take part in your no dot old school pvp events whenever i can you could at least tell me how to keep people floored as swordsman

that would save me having to pick up pikes for dotting the f'ing stackers hehe.

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st0nedpenguin

Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:33 pm

#23

Noc-turnal wrote:

I would share with you how is it that i can infinatly floor a person using swordman's moves (yes i can even out do a Doctor but very hard and some of them have looping macro) but i fear that if people start abusing it we'll get nerfed so the secret stays with me, the guild and maybe a few fellow faction members

/points to faction status.

/wink

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GarronDarkweaver

Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:03 pm

#24

lol stats on fire axe stoned mate?

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Noc-turnal

Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:42 am

#25

st0nedpenguin wrote:

Noc-turnal wrote:

I would share with you how is it that i can infinatly floor a person using swordman's moves (yes i can even out do a Doctor but very hard and some of them have looping macro) but i fear that if people start abusing it we'll get nerfed so the secret stays with me, the guild and maybe a few fellow faction members

/points to faction status.

/wink

/pet 6k from bazaar mind fire axe

Dont tempt me with the axe, i am clean and holy, and has no use with such weapon (whats the stats on it btw) stone as student of swordman i think i can trust you not to abuse the knowledge

A few questions to anwser tho

1) no this is not an exploit, but a legitable tactics within the game merchanics and the ability of swordman. Yes i do fear the nerf cry if it becomes widely known as people will start abusing it and say it is "unbalance" we do not need more nerfing, people should fear running into a swordman alone anyways!!

2)This method do not work so well on defense stackers, unless you happen to have a stun move handy. otherwise def stackers require a hint of luck which i do not see it as a valid tactics.

But really if all of you swordman explore the swordman profession like i have theres no reason why you couldnt figure it out, and if you did figure it out it wouldnt be my fault the nerf cry was thrown

(kaz if youbeg me in game i might tell you, that is on top of the idol god worshiping :smileytongue

Noc-turnal (T-S)

TreindTyde

Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:04 am

#26

*drops on knees like Garth*

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Actually we are, anyways, leave clues or something, is it a move not commonly used among the regular swordsman or higher accuracy mods on a scythe, say +18ish?

P.S.I'm gonna feel like a fool if I keep asking you and it turns out I already know this.

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