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Thread: Proof that TKA>Swordsman/Fencer/Pikemen

Henzo-Kauri
Sat Oct 11, 2003 7:05 pm
#1

I would like to see more of a balancing between the four elite brawler professions. As its stands right now TKA are the hands down best brawlers out there, they have the highest defenses and arguably the highest DPSand they can achive this by only going up 3 skill trees.


Ok, TKA have 1 line completely dedicated to meditate,which is arguably one of the most useful skills in the game. It heals wounds, poison,anddisease. I've seen a mastercombat medic try topoison a master TKA several times and after killing the combat medic he just sits down and meditates off the poison (mind poison).


In their other three lines they get their toughness, melee/ranged defense, state defenses, bonus to accuracy, bonus to speed and bonuses to damage (which no other melee profession gets, added i think because of their lack of weapons).


So in other words what is usually spread out into 4 trees for all the other brawler professions is spread out into 3 for the TKA. Just by going up these 3 trees you can be as effective in combat if not more than swordsman/fencer/pikeman. You can also see how spread out and diluted the other professions skill boxes are by looking at them in game with control-s or by using the character builderI linked below. By skimming through the boxes of the other professions you see that many times they are just given either a single bonus OR an ability for that box. You can look up the swordsmans technique or finess line or look at the pikemans stances, offensive techniques or support abilities for an example of what i'm talking about. Now look at the 3 lines in TKA in every box they are given not only several skill mods but also a new ability. Even the diversity in abilities are very lacking amoung the other professions.Swordsman have 3seperate lines of specials that have the effect of posture down??? While TKA can dizzy, knockdown, blind, or target any HAM bar they like including mind.


I'm not asking at all for a nerf on TKA at all, I think they are a great well rounded class, i'm just stating my observations and hoping something can be done to fill out the other professions to bring them up to this level during the re-balance.



for 85,000 combat xp:


Swordsman get


Two Handed Melee accuracy +20


Fencer get


Combat Equilibrium +10


One Handed Melee Accuracy +20


Pikemen get


Polearm Accuracy +20


TKA get


Melee Defense +10


Ranged Defense +10


Unarmed Accuracy +20


Unarmed Toughness +5


Unarmed Leg Hit 1


This comparison is an example but it isthe samewhen you compare any box of TKA (except meditate line) to the the same box in Pikeman/Swordsman/Fencer.

Henzo-Kauri
Sat Oct 11, 2003 7:08 pm
#2

You guys can use this character builder to see all the skills and abilities without having to log into the game


http://swgcb.yogn.net/swg-cb.php


And I forgot to mention the new and improved Powerboost which gives a huge boost to all 3 ham bars for 10 minutes.

IamDaniel
Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:56 pm
#3

There isn't even a need for a proof. It's common knowledge that TKAs are superior to the other 3 melee profs.
deadnewbie
Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:27 am
#4

Ya. TKA is a tad bit superpowered compared to all the other melee professions.




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Henzo-Kauri
Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:02 am
#5

Overpowered compared to the other melee professions yes, but overpowered in general no. I dont think they are overpowered at all compared to the other combat professions in the game, i just wish they would give the other brawlers the utility and versitality the TKA profession has.


Henzo-Kauri
Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:56 am
#6

Lots of changes on test but again mostly in favor of TKA
IamDaniel
Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:11 am
#7

....and Fencers too.
NeutralMonk
Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:32 am
#8

Well TKA is supposedly much more elite than any other brawling professions out there, and trained to kill jedis. But I do agree with your points that SWG should make the other 3 prof's better because TKA is definately not the uber class in this game (and i don't want it to be even though I am one) but just to tell you why they did this for now is because TKA in the movies are a lot stronger.


Evan9
Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:18 pm
#9

The point that TKAs hunted Jedi in the books has nothing to do with the game. If TKAs are to be the supreme melee machines, then they need tospend more skill points or something.



I don't see how you can sit there with the same number of skill points spentas a master pikeman but at the same time do more damage, have better defense, and additional non-combat skills and say that this is ok. Hell, that same pikeman can invest the points for master brawler and still be out classed by a non-master TKA. Whatever, too many TKAs don't seem to understand this for it has been brought up and countered about 14 dozen times on these boards.

Falator
Mon Oct 27, 2003 1:42 am
#10








Evan9 wrote:


I don't see how you can sit there with the same number of skill points spentas a master pikeman but at the same time do more damage, have better defense, and additional non-combat skills and say that this is ok. Hell, that same pikeman can invest the points for master brawler and still be out classed by a non-master TKA. Whatever, too many TKAs don't seem to understand this for it has been brought up and countered about 14 dozen times on these boards.






It is easy for them to justify it...


Typical tkareply:"OMG TKAZ KILL JEDIZ! IF U DONT LIK IT REROL A TKA NUB!"


Never try to convice a tka of anything using logic. The only they understand is that they can whine to the devs about tkas not being able as powerful as in eu and get results.




Eune Masew
Omnipotent Jedis + laughable death penalties = "Star Wars Galaxies: Jedi Counterstirike"
Sorulis
Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:34 am
#11

Falator, sure glad your being resonable.. pfft.


Don't categorize all TKA's. Personally I hope they do fix up the rest of the melee professions because honestly Im tired of fighting only TKA's in pvp.




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Master_P
Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:20 am
#12

Wel i couldt agree whit your ppl more!!! but the big problem is to get the DEV's to do something about it



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Falator
Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:03 am
#13






Sorulis wrote:

Falator, sure glad your being resonable.. pfft.


Don't categorize all TKA's. Personally I hope they do fix up the rest of the melee professions because honestly Im tired of fighting only TKA's in pvp.






Go to the tka boards. A large amount of them act just how i said they act.



Eune Masew
Omnipotent Jedis + laughable death penalties = "Star Wars Galaxies: Jedi Counterstirike"
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