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Thread: Is everyone brain dead?
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ArchStanten
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:23 pm
#1
Ok the first genious that didnt read what I said. NO *#$* Sherlock I know all about the force powers and specials im not a friggin noob. I killed three Elders two days ago force powers and all. Im talking about the last day and a half since the latest patch that now protectors are hitting me and killing me.
Asmoedean
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:37 pm
#2
Maybe they wanted high level mobs to require more than one person to kill them?
Slochini
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:44 pm
#3
lol...I feel for ya man. First you get spanked when you shouldn't and now youre mired in stupidity. Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you. Best thing would be for a bunch of us to buff up and test things out. That's gonna take several hours though. I'd start by verifying your modifiers in your template. You may still have the skill box but are the mods stacked correctly in the side window? If youre bugged that's where to problem is going to be.
My turn for a stupid question(s).
How many times has this happened?
On how many diffrent days?
Has there been a server reset since the last time it happened?
If so, has it happened again after the reset?
damonbrinkley
Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:45 pm
#4
I think I've seen others with similar experiences recently. They may have introduced a bug with some of the recent patches. Could you tell whether maybe the NPCs are bypassing armor or something to that nature?
Also, your ranting and raving isn't really the way to get people to truely look into this, you make a comment about a 14 year old yet you sound like one yourself.
ArchStanten
Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:37 pm
#5
Ok cool and ty. Thelast two people above that wrote in were the type of discussion and input i was looking for. Im not trying to be a jerk but to many times when u try to get a discussion going and some real input u get nonsense. Thanks again Ill have to see if others do have the same problem as well. It does almost seem like the issue is the armor not working the way it used to. With those last two protectors I tanked i healed myself like 5 or 6 times with stim D's and couldnt keep up with damage. It was only the other day that I was tanking an Elder and didnt even use a stim for like the first 10min i was on him. As for the fact they may want to take solo pve out of game, I dont like it. However if they do make so u need a grp to kill protectors and such make it worth my while to go get a grp together and kill them. They are still not spawning enough and drping crap yet now there harder to kill lol.
kestrellklein
Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:14 pm
#6
ArchStanten wrote:
Ok cool and ty. Thelast two people above that wrote in were the type of discussion and input i was looking for. Im not trying to be a jerk but to many times when u try to get a discussion going and some real input u get nonsense. Thanks again Ill have to see if others do have the same problem as well. It does almost seem like the issue is the armor not working the way it used to. With those last two protectors I tanked i healed myself like 5 or 6 times with stim D's and couldnt keep up with damage. It was only the other day that I was tanking an Elder and didnt even use a stim for like the first 10min i was on him. As for the fact they may want to take solo pve out of game, I dont like it. However if they do make so u need a grp to kill protectors and such make it worth my while to go get a grp together and kill them. They are still not spawning enough and drping crap yet now there harder to kill lol.
The 'armor hole' bug as we call it on my server, seems to be more frequent lately after this god foresaken JTL patch. It does seem that sometimes NPC's bypass armor, even thought it says in ym combat spam that my armor has caught X amount of damage. This, along with the new abilities of higher end NPC's to use their specials, force powers, and change weapons on you, could possibly be what you experienced.
As for a 'stealth nerf', its doubtful, because then you would not be the only one on here asking about this. Last night alone I cleared the NS stronghold 5+ times, and engaged 2 Elders successfully, without my trouble. What I've also noticed, is that some Elders using scythes, seem to be a bit harder and heavy hittingthan any others lately (minus the stun baton), and I did have to break off a fight once the second time, to re-engage her.
Next time something like this happens, I suggest you warcry, get out of there, and relog. Normally the 'armor hole' issue is resolved on a re-log. Trick is catching and identifyingit before it gets you, because there have a been a few times where I thought I was having this issue with an NPC, and then there was really a sentinal or protector from behind a wall, or out of my view range beating on me with a stun baton.
Kolhart
Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:21 pm
#7
First of all, NS are doing more damage. This started last night or yesterday after maintenance. Secondly, I think armor hole is back or they are hitting where biceps with specials. I recommend full suit at this point. Using a chest,armor, gloves and boots damage is getting through untouched. Seems that keeping bio pants on is still safe though.
But they are a$%$#@ now and they spawn everywhere and gl running when you get in trouble cuz I think they are faster nowwith a better AI and you gonna run into another spawn. Also, its hard to drag one away from a cluster they seem to group agro more.
Don't mess with stalkers either I think they may hit harder than protectors and their loot table seems to be alot lower and they take less damage than a protector due to 40% blast protection. Just some things I'm finding out in my last 6 buff sessions. Yah Im dieing alot, sux.
Rawauh
Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:24 pm
#8
woot if its taking more than 1 person to kill protects and elders now im happy. this is a mmo by the way, not an single player game with other people playing at the same time as you. NS were never intended to be soloable, the armor/buffs/food that have gotten out of control are what have made it possible. i remeber back in the day when a ranger would wipe out a group of 10 people...those were the good days when you actually had social interaction and didnt just log on to farm the tuffest stuff ingame solo.
Balute
Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:24 pm
#9
It's not just you. I noticed this yesterday also. While making my rounds on Dathomir, I usually stop at the SMC vs. NS battlefield, and can take on the chics pretty easily. However, yesterday, I was really getting knocked around by them, and ended up using my mind buff crystal just to keep me going (no muon handy, darnit!). At the time I was only fighting a spell weaver, and 2 sentinels. After I finally finished them off, I checked my armor to see if anything was busted and nothing was. Even as a wookiee, in some really nice Hunting armor (80% kinetic, 76% sliced base, vuln to stun/LS) I was still getting ripped up. Non of the chics were using stun batons, so it wasn't that.
After I finished capping xp, I ride from Rancor Valley to the village and usually stop at the NS Forced Labor Camp looking for some more NS love 
I was able to get all the way down to the Sentinel/Protector area (I avoided the Elder, buffs only had 20 minutes or so) and started taking 3 sentinels on at once. This is usually an easy thing. Good thing I took my muon out, because I used it w/in the first minute I was playing 'hide the scythe' with them. I was able to clear the other set of sentinels, and moved toward the stalkers/Protector. They all jumped me, and I started swinging...I ran within the first minute. My HAM's had dropped incredibly fast.
I was able to get all the way down to the Sentinel/Protector area (I avoided the Elder, buffs only had 20 minutes or so) and started taking 3 sentinels on at once. This is usually an easy thing. Good thing I took my muon out, because I used it w/in the first minute I was playing 'hide the scythe' with them. I was able to clear the other set of sentinels, and moved toward the stalkers/Protector. They all jumped me, and I started swinging...I ran within the first minute. My HAM's had dropped incredibly fast.One thing I did notice in all of this, was the really bad bleeds they stacked on me. We are talking the 500 tick bleeds. Not as bad as the old 1.3k bleeds, but when it hits all 3 stats it does get your attention pretty fast. Even as a 2440 medic using Med use 40 E's, I could do anything about healing my mind.
I plan on trying and testing a bit more tonight to see if it is still going on.
Bottom line: IT ain't just you, at least one other person has noticed this also.
kilokat
Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:22 pm
#10
I just got back from a few hours of NS ganking. Normally I take hits from about 6-140 damage from them, and never over 200 unless my armor's broke. I have Mdoc/MSwords, so no extra mods to def. I had CoB running and I noticed that I counterattacked maybe 1/4th as much as normal. I also was watching combatlog after having to drop a canape and a muon when fighting 3 initiates, so needless to say I was more than a little surprised when in the combat log I took a head hit from a scythe weilding Protector for like 900 dmg of which my helmet supposedly stopped 800someodd pts, but low and behold a -2000 floats over my head in blue. I was wearing full armor at the time, all 80% energy 80-90% base composite in great condition. For my money, it appears as though they're hitting right through the armor on occasion, although I'm not sure why a 900 pt hit would deal over 2k damade, even if I wasn't wearing armor. One other interesting thing happened to me, I thought I had my helmet on going into a fight with a spellweaver and I didn't. with 2 brandies and 2 ahrisa I'm used to not incurring a mind cost with my hammer, but after the fight was over I didn't have a single pt of mind damage. I don't really feel like hunting NS's without armor on, so I'm not planning on testing this (could have just been dumb luck), but I did find it kinda funny/disturbing if this was some sort of bug.
bdwsrkob
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:03 pm
#11
I don't own the equipment to do Elders...or the patience to go finding them. I did however notice a difference in the game. I recently went to the Geo cave and got wasted in the first room. Normally I have no problems at all until getting to the Force Klicknicks, then I have to be a little more careful. What made this even worse...I had 2 friends with me, and still died very quickly. I took more mind damage than normal it seemed, something like 1/4 of my mind pool in one hit. Anyway, just thought I'd throw in that it isn't just NS and such.
Lofenagado - TKM, Master Swords
OB295
Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:05 pm
#12
kilokat wrote:I just got back from a few hours of NS ganking. Normally I take hits from about 6-140 damage from them, and never over 200 unless my armor's broke. I have Mdoc/MSwords, so no extra mods to def. I had CoB running and I noticed that I counterattacked maybe 1/4th as much as normal. I also was watching combat log after having to drop a canape and a muon when fighting 3 initiates, so needless to say I was more than a little surprised when in the combat log I took a head hit from a scythe weilding Protector for like 900 dmg of which my helmet supposedly stopped 800someodd pts, but low and behold a -2000 floats over my head in blue. I was wearing full armor at the time, all 80% energy 80-90% base composite in great condition. For my money, it appears as though they're hitting right through the armor on occasion, although I'm not sure why a 900 pt hit would deal over 2k damade, even if I wasn't wearing armor. One other interesting thing happened to me, I thought I had my helmet on going into a fight with a spellweaver and I didn't. with 2 brandies and 2 ahrisa I'm used to not incurring a mind cost with my hammer, but after the fight was over I didn't have a single pt of mind damage. I don't really feel like hunting NS's without armor on, so I'm not planning on testing this (could have just been dumb luck), but I did find it kinda funny/disturbing if this was some sort of bug.
You should spread out your thoughts, but yeah, this happened with me and the Sith Thugs. The other day I was soloing 2 at a time and when I helped my friend do the mission I WALKED by one and he 1 hit killed me right there on my health w/ full 40% stun armor and there was only 1 hit in my log that registered like 2k and my health bar was over 3k. Needless to say I was Forking Pessed. Happened a couple more times after that. Think I had a hole in my armor.
ArchStanten
Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:41 am
#13
Ok I can't believe no one else is talking about this stealth nerf. I died last night to a protector and 3 ns sentrys and was like omg must have been a bug. However, just now in the strong hold cave i had two protectors on me and they ate me up. Now I dont want to hearfrom anyonethat dosnt read the rest of what im about towrite causeI know ill get a bunch of reasons that could explain whythis could happenwithout them reading thatI factored a lot of stuff in already. Im sureI will still get people asking me if my armor broke or I will also getsmart ass remarks from some punk fourteen year old or some goodiegoodieflower child saying how nothing is wrong. Im a Master Swordsman, Master Brawler, novice pikeman, novice doctor, and I have the meditate line in tk. There isnt much if anything in pve that I cant handle. I have tanked four Night Sister Protectors before solo, I have Killed numerous NS Elders alone, The tuskan Observer, Canyon Krayts and other high lev crap and all recently. My Armor is in tip top shape, I was fully buffed (mind also) and the dam things did NOT use stun batons on me. Something at least for me changed big time starting Thursday the fourth of Nov. Has anyone else noticed this. This sucks big time if we cant go out and kill stuff for loot and what really pisses me off is they do this crap on the down low when most people are in space and might not notice. It could perhaps be my toon that is bugged or maybe my server? Who the hell knows but something is really wrong. I brought this to the Swordsman board cause I know i will at least get some hard core pve players that might have some credible input. TY
Footnote I should say that I have only noticed a damage difference with the NPCs and not things like enraged rankors and such.
Message Edited by ArchStanten on 11-05-2004 03:45 PM
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