Swordsman Archive
Thread: How??
On other posts on the swordsmanforum, particularly the ones that deal with pvp, people r posting how they took out 5 ppl at a time, so on so forth.
i usually cant take any ranged if i dont use my carbineer skills along with swrodsman, but ppl rsaying how with JUST their sword they have takin out 5 ranged ppl at once.
i am having trouble believing this, but i may just be using the wrong tactics. when u rush into a group of pc opponents spamming area attack 3 or other area attacks, how to u keep them there, itll usually take around 5 or 6 hits with a curved sword to kill all of them, and maybe 3 or 4 with a ph, but of course its slower.
i can understand with area 3 u MIGHT get a dizzy on mayb 2 outta 6 or so ppl, but how do u keep all the others their, were they afk?? i just cant c how.
but pls, tell me if im doing sumthing wrong, or how u fight, what specials u use, what tactics u use in gettting to the group, and other things, as i would really like to know
thx in advance.
Wth "just" a sword I would imagine it's pretty hard unless the people are afk. You will need to heal yourself eventually.
Though, without my pets, I've been able to take 4 on at a time when forgetting I was overt and shuttled to Theed. The people who attacked me were all ranged attackers. What I did was hit burst run,targeted the closest person, hit them with mind bleed 2, did the next two closest people that way, and then the last person got the old fashioned smackdown while the other guys died. Through the battle I had to heal a couple of times and drink a munon gold but it wasn't all that hard..
Really, it all depends on who you are playing against and if they have at-st's =p
I incapacitated 4 people last night alonebefore being eventually shot down by the remaining two in their group.
Get a really really really good power hammer and use Head Hit 2. One or two hit incaps on most people.
Many people still just stand there and let you get in melee range because they think when they outnumber you, you will drop fast.
Also get at least First Aid IV and Pharmacology IV so you can use Stim D's to their maximum potential. It will save your life more than anything else. And make good friends with a doctor to enhance you, that too will give you a much longer lifespan than normal (I was running with 3000 health and action). Lastly, food and spice for your mind to get it above it's normal values. I prefer Ormachek and Durnfire for food/drink and Muon Gold for spice. Combined when you're hopped up on all that you haveclose to 1500 extra mind above your norm with an additional 700 or so willpower above your norm so it will regen extremely quickly.
Also, get yourself some good armor. I'm running with 40% composite (only reason I didn't go with the 60% model is the much much higher HAM cost) and it greatly reduces the damage done to me, I also have a 37% accross the board Shield Generator that I can activate when things get really messy (though ironically enough I didn't have it up for that above encounter, I might have won had I).
Now all that being said, do you need all that to fight one on one? No, not hardly. But when you're talking about taking down multiple people at once you need that superior edge to have the ability to take the kind of punishment they'll give out. You can't rely on the old Area Attack to keep them prone and unable to attack anymore.
Because of all those buffs is why I am now Master Doctor as well as Master Swordswoman. I run around almost always buffed to the hilt with plenty of spice and food to hit when I need it (I tend to save those as the duration on the doc enhances is well over an hour each but the spice/food is usually down to minutes).
-Shi
well im a novice doctor, so ill b able to buff myself soon, and im gonna pick up a couple of crates of moun gold.
but when u place bleed 2, how do u do, burst run?? or do u lead them. Do u think bh's would tear ur mind up even when u have moun gold on??
Anyone who runs will tear you up.
It really comes down to 1 simple thing: you can kill 4 people as a swordsman if they all stand still.
If they keep moving, you're toast.
Or as I like to say, "Anything works against morons". The mind bleed tactic is good, but it won't work on experienced PvP'ers.
Pecos if you fight someone with a gun out in the open with no cover to run behind or noway to catch up to them using the terrain you deserve to be shot and killed.
If I can get within 15m of them, there is a very good chance they will die. I have done it countless times and I will do it countless more.
Yes if someone can keep out of that range and keep shooting me I will eventually fall.
But just as they would be a moron to let me get close to them, I would be a moron to let them keep that distance and still hit me. So I use what is around me.
I really have no problem with ranged vs melee as it currently stands. You just have to do the thing you claim your enemies are doing that gives them such an advantage over you: use your brain.
-Shi
in a mass cbt you can kill 4 folk... the idea is to take advantage of those NOT focusing on you... i will run around looking for tgts... someone focused on ANYONE else... run up dot once and if i can i head hit 3 once... if you arent in attack mode (ie peace yourself) you will attack WHEN YOU PRESS THE ATTACK BUTTON... this allows me to actually hit a moveing tgt as i can choose when to hit him rather than hope the stars align between my moveing his moveing and the optimal attack distance (3-5 m IN FRONT of the moveing tgt)
also i once sloughtered 6 folk in a single cbt run of about 3 min as i was inside a building they would run in i would kill them... they would run in i would kill them... you get the point... finally they stopped comeing in and i waited a few till they were focused elsewhere then ran out nailed one ran back in the building... not the most brave of tactics perhaps but a succesful one...
basicly a noob with a cdef can kite you if he sees you comeing in time... but to be successful we need to be a bit more surreptious in our tactics
I still hope they fix they server lag thing so that we can attack while moving. mayb they could increase our range while in pvp, and while running, to like 10 or so meter IN FRONT OF US, that might work.
it would probly take some time to implement tho.
but shi, basically ur saying u have to be a master brawler to b effective in pvp (if ur an elite brawler class), for the knockdown. its great that ur willing to spend the points and all to do that, but rifleman, pistoleers, and carbineers dont have to master marksmen.
but anyways, i dont have much of a problem with pvp MYSELF anyways, since im a carbineer, i just hope that the pure melee type's read this for ur advice shi, so thx
Yep its the same old nonsense.. I can kill 5 guys yada yada yada.. What he is leaving out is that he is always with a group of ranged players. He will not stand a chance doing faction missions solo and getting hit by any ranged overt.. Im 0 for 10 buffed, spiced, dizzy cure on standby. You simply can't get to them even with the lunge and follow as has been said before. The devs need to give us at least 25 m and 35m on lungewith thecurrent animation problemfor us to reel in ranged players..
No APEist in fact I am not a Master Brawler.
My current template is Master Swords, Master Doctor, and Explore I in the Scout tree and it is finalized there.
Your lunge has a range of 15m and while it does not work all the time, it does work. The other nice thing about it is it does not tack on the standard attack delay, meaning if I lunge with a power hammer and cue up Mind Hit 2 behind that as long as I am running right at the target when it drops to it's knees I will get that second attack off (unless it misses, but that's not because of range at that point).
I know some of the people that post here have a lot of trouble with pvp, and that sucks. I personally have no idea why, as I have no trouble at all and am mystified as to their failure at competing. I don't think I have unusual hand/eye reflexes or employ strange tactics that anyone else can't get their hands on. Maybe the end result is being a melee is just not something everyone is able to do, or maybe it's their internet connection (I am on DSL). I don't have any answers, unfortunately. I just know what works for me.
-Shi
wait there boy.. you took them all out at once? thats one of the things I have a hard time believing in some of these posts... yea I can run around and kill singles all the time but if you consider that most players in elite professions are level 25-35your claim is tantamount to killing a group of tuscans of varying difficulites all at once and with only one "real" posture change for that group I have a really hard time believing that. NO one eye shot you or bled you or kited and and you took the pets as well?
please be more clear about your amazing feats folks..
they didnt all die at once but they all died before i did and they were all shooting at me. its not hard to belive when you know how to fight..its siomple dont allow yourself to be kited..when going against 5 opponenets and one runs one way leave him be and go after another and dwindle their numbers
and funny story about tuskens though.......before they lowered their spawns and was gimped i took on a whole room of them ( on the top side ) about 10-15 of them and kill them all alone....Idris Tycho and i belive Water was their ( on tarq ) if u ever see either and wish to ask them..hell idris solos their for hours on end ( being a doctor and all though =( )