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Thread: Now how are you gonna make money...

MarauderStrJckr
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:40 pm
#1

Solo groups are being nerfed within the next week.


I expect to see Dath swarming with every swordsman in the game in less than 2 weeks time.



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MarauderStrJckr
Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:43 pm
#2


Link for all you non-believers


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=in_testing&message.id=31775

Message Edited by MarauderStrJckr on 11-10-2004 05:44 PM



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Vshbaa
Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:24 pm
#3

Giant Baz

At-St

CH Friend

Resource Sales

Loot Sales


Just removes the social dynamic of grouping really, and in my opinion, will hurt the economy more than help, but thats a different discussion. (Personally I hate Solo-Groups, but this fix isn't the right one).



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AriasImmortal
Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:27 pm
#4

i'm gonna lewt-whore should i ever need more money



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Naruk_The_Wookiee
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:56 pm
#5






AriasImmortal wrote:

i'm gonna lewt-whore should i ever need more money






Me too...but bad for starters...



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FtB
Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:24 am
#6

I'll start by cancelling my subscription, that'll save me $15 a month.



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KemaxAkasta
Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:37 am
#7



FtB wrote:
I'll start by cancelling my subscription, that'll save me $15 a month.




Haha nice.
Mothr
Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:11 am
#8

BS! is the first thing that popped into my mind.


Thx Soe for takeing away my chance to earn a living and have fun.


Yup the prices will drop, but when ? in a week ? unlikely! In 2 weeks ? unlikely! In a month ? not likely! in ½ year ? Probably! Ok so I have 6 months of sitting on my arse, or go play something else ?


This will in no way help the economy. Btw what is wrong with the economy today ? Sure some stuff is way overpriced, such as 60 mill for a 25 point doc suit, but hey how many of those are there around ? 8 mill for a +4 2handed speed aa, how many actually needs that ?


Way to go Soe bring back the communists, lets all be equal. We can start by me takeing over a dev's house, and emptying it for stuff, cause hey if I dont have anything neither should you.


Oh joy oh joy, cant wait for something good to come out so I can cancel.



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- I support keeping & balancing the current combat system You can too
Othdrakk
Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:11 am
#9

Lol, this sologroup missions are great


We shouldnt been able to do 100+ difficulty missions from the begining.

the wrong thing isnt that they are removing this, it's that they made the mistake to make it possible from the begining.

People have got used to make way too easy money, free & easy.

Everybody is doin their solomissions.

It might be rough for starters, time will tell, there will be alot of whining, as you call allready see :/

It's great, more social gaming with real groups! And hopefully a end to this "every each and second player got 100 mill on their bank accounts"


I dont feel sorry for the people whining about this, take it as it comes, ride it out together with your friends, play this game the way it was planned to be played! or just go play monopoly.



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Mothr
Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:16 am
#10

My question to you is this:


If this is supposed to bring people back together in groups, my foresight is it will do the exact opposite!


Why ?


Well its pretty basic: You are in a group with 10 people in it. You take a 30k mis.


Result each get 3k out of it.


Another scenario: You go to the terminal pull out a 6k mission, you do it solo, you get 6k out of it.


See my drift ? Which mission would you prefer to take ? The one in a group ? or the one solo ?


So has this nerf changed anything ?


Answer: No!


Now they can lower the payout on all missions you are able to get solo. The result will be ?


The starting out noob will have a hell of a time ever getting anywhere in this game.


So how exactly does this change what we have today ?


The thing I for see is the people with huge amounts of creds today, will become even richer after this nerf if they sit it out.


Now has this changed anything ? No! The rich gets richers, the poor become even poorer.


This is in no way a well thought out plan by soe. And does in no way at all help anybody.


The architects will go out of business, cause who will ever want to be one ? It takes TONS of ressources to make the big stuff = it takes a huge amount of creds, to get them, and for what ? the price calculation is that each ressource costs 1.5 creds, now a guild hall takes 100000 ressources to make, you do the math. Who is gonna buy it ? A swoop costs a big amount of ressources to make, you do the math.


Where am I heading ? Well if soe has thought about this at all, which it seems they havent, they have overlooked so many things that this will effect that i get Dizzy just by thinking about it. All the regular prices where soe has their income needs to be nerfed aswell, just think of it, you swoop decayes rapidly when you use it, a lot of times ive repaired it for 6k, now put that 6k in correlation to the 3k youll get by hunting jantas ?


Thats 2! missions just to pay for repairs!


A lot of professions will be banged hard by this: Entertainers for instance! Who in their right mind will ever tip an entertainer anything over 100 creds ? When this comes into effect.


Who will ever wear comp anymore ? Except those who have millions today and can afford it. It takes so much of stuff to even make a comp armour, and who will provide it ? A krayt weapon will become rare, cause who besides the "We Love the jedi - soe" will be able to hunt them ? 'Jedi ? Yup! Forget about soloing one as a swordsman. the price of your comp alone will be able to drain your purse if you fail once that you wont be able to do it again. Soloing an Elder ? Nope! forget that the chance of you not getting anything except 3k of creds for your effort can soon prove too big a risk to ever do it.


Yeah but we can do it in groups! Well tell me how many people will be willing to die and have their stuff decay from cloneing and not have anything to show for it afterwards ? I mean only one can loot an elder or a krayt. The rest will get the stick.


So all those things that I know my fellow swordsmen have been enjoying is Gone! Poof up in smoke!


So whats left for us then ? Forget the corvette. The shots you take up there, alone will decay your wallet quick, and you can again stand there with nothing to show for it.


I know how it used to be in the "old" days, when people would team up for missions, but those days are gone. Its a new breed of players out there. People want to have fun, its a game! Takeing away what people finds fun to do is a bad decision. I think soe has again showed us that they are totally uncapable to think even remotely of the consequenses of their actions.


This nerf brings with it so many issues, that i bet they havent even forseen that the cancellation office will have their hands full, I just hope they hire more help cause they will need it!


Soe in a nutshell when building a damm: "oops we dont like how this is turning out, lets put a piece of gum in that crack"

"Oops now theres another hole in the damn"

"Dont worry ive got lots of gum"

"and another hole, and another piece of gum" and so the story continues untill the whole damm is built by gum and finally collapses and drowns everyone.


What im lacking from soe is foresight, instead of keep on repairing whats broken with stuff thats only temporary, why not simply call it quits, say Im sorry but it seems like weve made so many mistakes with this game that we've come to the conclusion that it is unfixable.





"Forgiveness is between them and god. Its my job to make sure they meet" - Denzel Washington - Man On Fire

- I support keeping & balancing the current combat system You can too
Koudelka
Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:57 am
#11

Amen...


I cant but agree to what he just said.... Soe are so damn incompetent in their work... Im seriously going to cancel my subscription and buy Everquest 2... They havent had the time to ruin that game yet...



Master Swordman and Master Doctor.
Vshbaa
Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:24 am
#12






Mothr wrote:

My question to you is this:


If this is supposed to bring people back together in groups, my foresight is it will do the exact opposite!


Why ?


Well its pretty basic: You are in a group with 10 people in it. You take a 30k mis.


Result each get 3k out of it.


Another scenario: You go to the terminal pull out a 6k mission, you do it solo, you get 6k out of it.


See my drift ? Which mission would you prefer to take ? The one in a group ? or the one solo ?


So has this nerf changed anything ?


Answer: No!


Now they can lower the payout on all missions you are able to get solo. The result will be ?


The starting out noob will have a hell of a time ever getting anywhere in this game.


So how exactly does this change what we have today ?


The thing I for see is the people with huge amounts of creds today, will become even richer after this nerf if they sit it out.


Now has this changed anything ? No! The rich gets richers, the poor become even poorer.


This is in no way a well thought out plan by soe. And does in no way at all help anybody.


The architects will go out of business, cause who will ever want to be one ? It takes TONS of ressources to make the big stuff = it takes a huge amount of creds, to get them, and for what ? the price calculation is that each ressource costs 1.5 creds, now a guild hall takes 100000 ressources to make, you do the math. Who is gonna buy it ? A swoop costs a big amount of ressources to make, you do the math.


Where am I heading ? Well if soe has thought about this at all, which it seems they havent, they have overlooked so many things that this will effect that i get Dizzy just by thinking about it. All the regular prices where soe has their income needs to be nerfed aswell, just think of it, you swoop decayes rapidly when you use it, a lot of times ive repaired it for 6k, now put that 6k in correlation to the 3k youll get by hunting jantas ?


Thats 2! missions just to pay for repairs!


A lot of professions will be banged hard by this: Entertainers for instance! Who in their right mind will ever tip an entertainer anything over 100 creds ? When this comes into effect.


Who will ever wear comp anymore ? Except those who have millions today and can afford it. It takes so much of stuff to even make a comp armour, and who will provide it ? A krayt weapon will become rare, cause who besides the "We Love the jedi - soe" will be able to hunt them ? 'Jedi ? Yup! Forget about soloing one as a swordsman. the price of your comp alone will be able to drain your purse if you fail once that you wont be able to do it again. Soloing an Elder ? Nope! forget that the chance of you not getting anything except 3k of creds for your effort can soon prove too big a risk to ever do it.


Yeah but we can do it in groups! Well tell me how many people will be willing to die and have their stuff decay from cloneing and not have anything to show for it afterwards ? I mean only one can loot an elder or a krayt. The rest will get the stick.


So all those things that I know my fellow swordsmen have been enjoying is Gone! Poof up in smoke!


So whats left for us then ? Forget the corvette. The shots you take up there, alone will decay your wallet quick, and you can again stand there with nothing to show for it.


I know how it used to be in the "old" days, when people would team up for missions, but those days are gone. Its a new breed of players out there. People want to have fun, its a game! Takeing away what people finds fun to do is a bad decision. I think soe has again showed us that they are totally uncapable to think even remotely of the consequenses of their actions.


This nerf brings with it so many issues, that i bet they havent even forseen that the cancellation office will have their hands full, I just hope they hire more help cause they will need it!


Soe in a nutshell when building a damm: "oops we dont like how this is turning out, lets put a piece of gum in that crack"

"Oops now theres another hole in the damn"

"Dont worry ive got lots of gum"

"and another hole, and another piece of gum" and so the story continues untill the whole damm is built by gum and finally collapses and drowns everyone.


What im lacking from soe is foresight, instead of keep on repairing whats broken with stuff thats only temporary, why not simply call it quits, say Im sorry but it seems like weve made so many mistakes with this game that we've come to the conclusion that it is unfixable.









You make good points, but you have flaws.


I didn't start the janta/mokk missions until three months ago. Before that I did Giant Baz in full 80% comp, which I was able to buy from doing the missions. Full suit is what, 150k-200k? Thats 15-20 Giant Baz missions.




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Vshbaa
Former CURB Alpha Tester
Test Center: Zeath, Novolo, Pretentious
Eclipse: Novola, Pretentious, and Winnfield
Elder Jedi and Elder Swordsman
"Fine. I nominate YOU for the job. You fit the bill. No compassion, no morals, and a proven ability to follow the line no matter the personal cost." - WildCat84
damonbrinkley
Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:34 am
#13

Could someone please explain to me how you think the rich will get richer?



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