Swordsman Archive

Yes Im comparing Apples to Oranges because what Im talking about is actual in game play, where apples are never compared to apples because you dont know what he has and visa versa and you can prepare all you want beforehand. Personaly I think its irrevelent to compare a straight swordsman to a straight TKA...why becuase NONE of my fights have been straight Swordsman vrs straight TKA, so why not let people know how to be successful in game because thats what really matters.

2 words...vrs Knockdown

Before I started mastering Holo prefs I had I belive 95 vrs KD. You can get +50 KD in 1 of the Fencer Lines(stances I think), I had that. Also I had some Pikeman and TKA(for Def Acuity) and extra vrs KD. I believe I worked it out that I could get to 115 vrs KD. At 35 KD most TKA couldnt knock me down at 75 hardly ever got KD'ed and at 95 never got KD'ed. 115 would be just scary..

I would open up with Intimiate2(master brawler), stack 2 mind bleeds(combined to 1 macro)..then use my master brawler Knockdown a few times, once they were KD'ed I'd use Warcry2(again master brawler), freeze em for 20secs while they are on the ground and head hit 3 with Damage sliced AND Damage Poweruped PH..I think my PH was around 700 damage. Not very many people live through 20secs of head hit3's while laying down.

If its a duel I'd just stack that intim2, bleeds try the KD a few times if it didnt work just go beserk..you know they are spamming their specials which cost a lot of ham too, but with Intim2(very Important)and your 60% kinetic armor they arent going to be doing hardly any damage, throw in Master Swords Center of Being and they can forget about it...

Yes I killed more TKAs then I can count..they are VERY easy to kill with a template like this. If they are healing themselves focus on the mind and let the Bleeds works..a nice long fight is good..so keep your specials to a minimum and just use Beserk or Mind hit if your health is looking good.

Most TKA are so hopelessly reliant on KD + Dizzy that once you remove that they are about like killing a huuron on Dant only easier. Funny thing is they will continue trying to spam KD since so much of their PVP or duel tactics rely on it, not realizingYou are the TKA killer and spamming KD is exactly what you want them to spam their specials on.

Ohh and did I mention as a swordsman I was able to farm 10 holo's in a week?..Yes run into said Dark Trooper room get surrounded by 5-7 DT's...Doc buff or Pixie + COB + Area posture change then area sweep, area sweep, area sweep..ect...loot the bodies...

Swordsman is the most versitle (letssee ANY other class take on 7 DT's at once and kill them all in under a minute) and most powerfullclassIMO.

Hope this helps.....

I only just got Novice swordsman but so far with buffs ive been soloing 3 or 4 huurtons at a time and 2 bols at a time, the benefit is these mobs do hardly any mind dmg, I use my PH which misses now and then at novice but when you hit for 2000-4200 dmg its not so bad, all I can say is im gonna love master swordsman, I love area sweep because you can spam it away and kill everything in one big circle, its definately the most fun ive had in a while!

Sounds like you're fighting Master TKAs that are not Master Brawlers.... I suspect the battle would be 50/50 if a well-trained Master Brawler / Master Swordsman fought against a well trained Master Brawler / Master TKA.

Actually, the Master Brawler / Master TKA might win more often due to HAM costs.

yes, may i add that ur implying that it's not the swordsman in that is actually beating them, it's all the other defenses u got from other classes that are helping, meaning that swordsman on it's own is still very underpowered

Id like to add to this. I have not lost a duel to a TKM in the last 3 weeks, and I have not lost to one in PVP in 2 weeks, and I pvp for 4-6 hours every day. Why use intimidate? they can still hit you back. If you are master brawler master swordsman you can easily kill them by using warcry 2 and 2 bleeds then just chase them down with head hit 3 no need to intimidate as they will never get a hit in on you. Their specials cost quite a bit of mind so dont sweat their damage they only hit for 40 without specials. with 2 bleeds they will be at 1 mind before the warcry wears off. Making them easy prey.

Master Pikeman and Master swordsman can take on 4 dt's buffed taking few scrathes.. Its a goo d buddy system.


In regards to TKM vs Swordsman.

The "issue" is this.. Its not really an issue. Its just conversation about the current state of those 2 professions..

Noone can deny that TKM is an EXTREMLY popular profession.

Noone can deny that KD2 is an EXTREMLY powerfull move.

Some people are better at pvp than others. Being better is knowing what to use in what situations and what to fall back on when things dont work.

There are some very good swordsman and tkm that can do well using a wide variety of their moves.

There are some from each that spam the same move over and over again.

Not a bad thing. Our friend here is just stating that KD defense will protect you against spammers, and that he has used it successfully.

Personally I dont mind bleed during friendly duels. (MSW myself).
Because of the lasting effect and my inability to heal their bleed afterwards.

ALSO.. are you sure that mind bleeds are cumulative.. I had assumed that it just took the one with the highest damage...
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yes mind hit 1 and mind hit two stack on top of each other. to test this. Mind hit 1 a high lvl mob and then mind hit 2 them 2 seconds later. and if you have pets to tank usee them during this no peace it and sit back and watch the bleeds. the first bleed will tick about 1k and then anouther one will tick a while after that does around 3-4k i see this all the time when i am soloing dune kimos or when i'm incaped in a fight vs a krayt.

it's the same with any bleeds they all stack on top of each other. but if you use the same bleed lets say mind hit 2 twice that doesn't stack.

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DarkBShadow wrote:

yes mind hit 1 and mind hit two stack on top of each other. to test this. Mind hit 1 a high lvl mob and then mind hit 2 them 2 seconds later. and if you have pets to tank usee them during this no peace it and sit back and watch the bleeds. the first bleed will tick about 1k and then anouther one will tick a while after that does around 3-4k i see this all the time when i am soloing dune kimos or when i'm incaped in a fight vs a krayt.

it's the same with any bleeds they all stack on top of each other. but if you use the same bleed lets say mind hit 2 twice that doesn't stack.

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I use a bleed macro with the harder hitting bleed first. One thing I haven't determined is if say two swordsman used mind hit 2 on a mob if it they would stack.

If you notice you got a really low hit with the bleed, you can reapply and it will change to the higher hit.

Donte

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Daunti wrote:

I use a bleed macro with the harder hitting bleed first. One thing I haven't determined is if say two swordsman used mind hit 2 on a mob if it they would stack.

If you notice you got a really low hit with the bleed, you can reapply and it will change to the higher hit.

Donte

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yes i have noticed this but i was answering the persons questioons above that bleeds stack and stating that the same bleed doesn't stack just forgot to stat that it changes to the one that did more damage.

and i do believe that bleeds from two swordman do stack on top of each other. i might be wronge on this one but i do remember when i was a novice swordman with the bottom row of swordman trained up that me and a masterswordman both did our bleeds did stack. like i didmind hit 1 and he did mind hit one and two and i believe that i saw 3 bleeds ticked. haven't been in a group with anouther swordman since then which was a long time ago.

so with all these new swordmanscoming about maybe we will finally find if this is true or not

"Swordsman is the most versitle (letssee ANY other class take on 7 DT's at once and kill them all in under a minute) and most powerfullclassIMO."

Commando

Pikeman

Rifleman

Carbineer

Bounty Hunter

TKA

Fencer

yep. I am sure i missed a few

At a certain level ou are no longer fighting the class, but the person. Title doesn't matter, there are skkills that you have to find away around. But in the end, I do more damage to myself with the hammer than my opponents do to me. Since I started boozing and spicing in PVP like I do in PVE, I lose very few one on one duels. the way arond kd dizzy is cob, no matter if you get hit by a TKM, Giant Krayt, or Carbineer. I mentioned what I have found in monika's "master heavysword + ?." let me know if you guys have had other experiences with this. thx