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Thread: so mind won't be targetable after next patch?

motarian
Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:33 pm
#1

if this is true what r we gona get to replace hs?



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boodow
Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:42 pm
#2






motarian wrote:

if this is true what r we gona get to replace hs?






Where do you people keep hearing this at?



Terigo
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler
Commander of the Millennium Nuna
motarian
Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:37 pm
#3

the devs said they where either going to make stim packs heal mind or make mind not targetable, and it seems like stims healing mind isn't going to happen. this is part of the comabt change.



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trw rebel
"first one's here, first one's here"
look out for the shotgun sniping rednecks
BigSlimUK
Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:53 pm
#4

If that's true about mind not being tasrgetable, then what will be the point of having a mind bar then?



boodow
Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:47 am
#5






motarian wrote:

the devs said they where either going to make stim packs heal mind or make mind not targetable, and it seems like stims healing mind isn't going to happen. this is part of the comabt change.







How about a link to where this is stated. If you don't have one, stop trying to spread rumors.



Terigo
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler
Commander of the Millennium Nuna
ItalianJediLord
Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:20 am
#6

Mind should be targetable. If its part of the HAM system then yes it should. Honestly, how many attacks are there to attack the mind compared to how many attacks there are to attack health and action. Its like 10-1, maybe 15-1.
Cizal1267
Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:53 am
#7

See, if that happens, we're screwed...It doesn't make sense that we shouldn't hit mind anyway, because hitting them in the head sure ain't leg damage, or torso damage.



Cizal
Starsider
Home Planet: Corellia
motarian
Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:06 am
#8

i couldent find the posts by the devs because i never taged them but hte is post where the doc corraspondant talks about it a bit


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=doctor&message.id=42074





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trw rebel
"first one's here, first one's here"
look out for the shotgun sniping rednecks
boodow
Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:17 am
#9

I read that post and Traigus doesn't say anything about that, the person that created the thread did. He is talking about mind healing. I'm not trying to flame anyone here but it always seems that nobody has any real documentation or proof of this ever being mentioned by any developers when this topic comes up.

Message Edited by boodow on 04-10-2004 01:27 PM



Terigo
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler
Commander of the Millennium Nuna
admiraljz
Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:04 pm
#10

The problem with mind damage, even though there are fewer possible ways to attack the mind, is that with doc buffs there is virtually no way to incap someone on health or action in PvP. That's why there are so many riflemen around.


I would suggest that mind remain targetable and unhealable, but in player vs player combat remove incaps from mind damage. Then the point of mind damage would be to limit your opponent's ability to use special attacks, and you'd see a lot fewer riflemen and CMs running around dominating the game with mind damage attacks.






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ViceroyErin
Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:10 pm
#11

That wouldn't make any sense, Admiral... HAM usage of each bar varies depending on the profession, Riflemen would only be able to be effective against other riflemen.


The fact that you'd alienate 90% of the game's PvP'rs current profession, aside.



Cordo Font
Libertas, Rori
admiraljz
Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:47 pm
#12

I would disagree. The idea is to make other combat professions viable so not everyone who PvPs HAS to bea rifleman. Riflemen and Combat Medics both have health and action attacks just as powerful as their mind attacks. Riflemen are using mind HAM whether it's a targetable pool or not. If it's no longer possible to incapacitate someone by shooting their unhealable mind pool out, good players will begin to look to other professions and templates fora way to damage their opponents' health and action pools, instead of taking the easy (and you could even say only viable) option of just shooting their mind pool to oblivion.


Furthermore, making it so that mind incaps are not possible is a heck of a lot better than this rumor of the mind pool not being targetable at all, or stimpacks healing mind damage. Either of those two options would be detrimental not only to entertainers, but to healing combat medics, who would both suffer diminished roles.


In a scenerio where you could not mind incap someone, riflemen would certainly not suffer a tremendous setback for two reasons. The first is that advanced strafe does massive damage, and with a master rifleman's accuracy, hardly ever misses. The second is that all professions DO use at least some mind pool. So maybe riflemen do become a counter to other riflemen because that profession does use the most mind, but they also become effective at limiting the ability of other combatants to freely fire off specials in spam attacks. In the end, the gains of all the other professions in the game far outweigh any perceived losses by riflemen, which really are not so severe when you really boil it down.






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prang11
Sat Apr 10, 2004 4:04 pm
#13

so would mind turn into something like the force bar of a jedi? From what i understand this would be the only way to make it happen.
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