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Thread: Are Scythes really useful?

Evelas
Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:25 am
#1

I've got a fairly high-damage powerhammer with like 5.3 speed. But then again, I've got FS speed, so I hit the speed cap. Are Scythes useful enough to even consider getting? Most things I've fought over the year have had more kinetic resist than blast (except SBD's), and I don't want to waste the 500k or so they go for on a weapon that can't even outdamage my powerhammer.



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SiliusSodus
Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:03 am
#2

use em on the acklay if you have a high damage one
quitch
Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:54 am
#3

Yesterday, I (TKM) did the acklay with2 Master Swordsmen (using Power Hammers). We did fine, and didn't take much damage. He went down pretty quick.



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Zarqon
Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:35 am
#4

Scythes usually still have better damage range than hammers. This might make a difference in PvP. But in PvE, no I guess it's rare that the blast resists are that much higher than kinetic.


hmm, but then again, lairs are bugged with blast damage, you don't get the addition for AP. A kinetic weapon will save you a lot of time on those.




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Evelas
Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:12 pm
#5

I just use my VK on lairs, takes em down fast.


So pretty much Scythe is only useful if your character isn't FS and Swordy is your only prof?



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Crumbs
Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:11 pm
#6






Evelas wrote:

I just use my VK on lairs, takes em down fast.


So pretty much Scythe is only useful if your character isn't FS and Swordy is your only prof?






Umm no. The scythe is good for defense stackers since the accuracy on it is much better then a PH and the damage range is tighter so it isn't as effected by mitigation. Scythe for stackers and the PH for pure ranged classes.



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Noc-turnal
Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:55 pm
#7






Zarqon wrote:

Scythes usually still have better damage range than hammers. This might make a difference in PvP. But in PvE, no I guess it's rare that the blast resists are that much higher than kinetic.


hmm, but then again, lairs are bugged with blast damage, you don't get the addition for AP. A kinetic weapon will save you a lot of time on those.







I agree with this one, in pvp unless you have a far better damage range acklay hammer, stick with the scythe for melee fights, and hammer for those with no melee mitigation. the scythe should have a good acc mod on it NOT minus something mod, the scythe then can double up as the magic dizzy status application. the acc mods makes a different. thats all i would add to it but Zarqon is spot on imo





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Evelas
Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:12 pm
#8






Crumbs wrote:





Evelas wrote:

I just use my VK on lairs, takes em down fast.


So pretty much Scythe is only useful if your character isn't FS and Swordy is your only prof?





Umm no. the scythe is good for defense stackers since the accuracy on it is much better then a PH and the damage range is tighter so it isn't as effected by mitigation. Scythe for stackers and the PH for pure ranged classes.




Ohh, I forgot to add I also have FS accuracy, so the amount of misses I get is negligible.




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blackgunz
Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:40 pm
#9






Evelas wrote:





Crumbs wrote:





Evelas wrote:

I just use my VK on lairs, takes em down fast.


So pretty much Scythe is only useful if your character isn't FS and Swordy is your only prof?





Umm no. the scythe is good for defense stackers since the accuracy on it is much better then a PH and the damage range is tighter so it isn't as effected by mitigation. Scythe for stackers and the PH for pure ranged classes.




Ohh, I forgot to add I also have FS accuracy, so the amount of misses I get is negligible.







No offense but it sounds like you are only looking to show that you think Scythes are useless...



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MoogleDee
Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:10 pm
#10

Ok well... you could always put aesthetics into consideration. Would a SWORDsman usea big ol hammer or a blade with a handle built into it? In your situation perhaps sticking to your VK may be a good thing especialy considering costs, but cmon, scythes are one of the best looking weapons in the game.



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Evelas
Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:54 pm
#11






blackgunz wrote:





Evelas wrote:





Crumbs wrote:





Evelas wrote:

I just use my VK on lairs, takes em down fast.


So pretty much Scythe is only useful if your character isn't FS and Swordy is your only prof?





Umm no. the scythe is good for defense stackers since the accuracy on it is much better then a PH and the damage range is tighter so it isn't as effected by mitigation. Scythe for stackers and the PH for pure ranged classes.




Ohh, I forgot to add I also have FS accuracy, so the amount of misses I get is negligible.







No offense but it sounds like you are only looking to show that you think Scythes are useless...




I honestly had no idea how good they were, etc. and I didn't feel like paying the 500k or so for a good one just to test it. Turns out with my specific template a Scythe is currently useless to me, but once I drop TKA I'llbe consideringgetting one.


Just wanted to know what points you guys felt Scythes were usefull for (speed, accuracy, and fairly good damage, those are all pluses for me when I drop TKA around when JTL comes out).



One big plus for Scythes: SBD's have 100% blast resist in the DWB, but not 100% kinetic

Message Edited by Evelas on 09-28-2004 06:56 PM



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Eufack
Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:00 pm
#12






MoogleDee wrote:

Ok well... you could always put aesthetics into consideration. Would a SWORDsman usea big ol hammer or a blade with a handle built into it? In your situation perhaps sticking to your VK may be a good thing especialy considering costs, but cmon, scythes are one of the best looking weapons in the game.






well if your going for looks then i agree the scythe is a good looking weapon, but there are alot of people running around with them now. so that takes away from how good they look.



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Crumbs
Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:21 pm
#13






Evelas wrote:






blackgunz wrote:





Evelas wrote:





Crumbs wrote:





Evelas wrote:

I just use my VK on lairs, takes em down fast.


So pretty much Scythe is only useful if your character isn't FS and Swordy is your only prof?





Umm no. the scythe is good for defense stackers since the accuracy on it is much better then a PH and the damage range is tighter so it isn't as effected by mitigation. Scythe for stackers and the PH for pure ranged classes.




Ohh, I forgot to add I also have FS accuracy, so the amount of misses I get is negligible.







No offense but it sounds like you are only looking to show that you think Scythes are useless...




I honestly had no idea how good they were, etc. and I didn't feel like paying the 500k or so for a good one just to test it. Turns out with my specific template a Scythe is currently useless to me, but once I drop TKA I'llbe consideringgetting one.


Just wanted to know what points you guys felt Scythes were usefull for (speed, accuracy, and fairly good damage, those are all pluses for me when I drop TKA around when JTL comes out).



One big plus for Scythes: SBD's have 100% blast resist in the DWB, but not 100% kinetic

Message Edited by Evelas on 09-28-2004 06:56 PM




For a guy who is allegedly speed capped why are you even using tka in pve?





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