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I know my fellow SL's are going to be like NOOOOOOO w-t-f lol

but id rather have the E-Web be somehting that a Squad Leader sets up....in other words we carry it around and set it up in the field.....then Commandos operate it.

I would rather just have commandos be able to operate it, to be completely honest. It gives SL's a necessary function in that we are needed to set the thing up....and commandos a necessary function in operating the weaponry.

I feel that if you allow commandos to set it up and use it....and SL's to set it up and use it...then you kind of destroy part of the uniqueness of the weapon. I feel, again, it SHOULD be a JOINT operation in that SL's make the weapon available to their squads and Commandos are necessary to operate the weapon. Another reason is so that Commando's could not purchase this weapon by themselves then tote it aorund and use it solo. The E-web is pretty much the epitome squad-based support weapon we have seen in the Star Wars universe. Allowing COmmandos, or even SL's to operate the machine alone kind of ruins that principle of a squad weapon. If you make it to where SL is needed to set the weapon up..some form of "build" command put into the code for the weapon.....and then make it to where only Commando's can operate it then it falls more in line wiht a Squad Support weapon and a Joint effort between SL's and Commandos.

Id also liek ot see the SL be able to set up multiple E-webs.

As for power....it probably shouldnt be as powerful as a regular turret, it is after-all a portable machine......but it should be mor epowerful than a Riflemans T21 rifle (which is th emost powerful ranged weapon in the game imo).

Message Edited by DiLune on 04-13-2004 01:32 PM

I like the idea. I especially like the joint-venture approach to it, but only if the other needs are covered first:

• Dropoff/extraction


• Strategic tools


• Fortifications (well, i would be willing to substitute this with the E-Web)


• Tactical tools (calling out targets, ect...)

Dogg

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DiLune wrote:

Yeah, I'll disagree with you. Commandos wouldn't like not being to set up their own weapon. SL wouldn't like not being able to use a weapon they could only set up. You'd have to buy the thing and trust you'd have someone else to use it? Also, what's the point of getting it as a skill line if it ends up being a nominal perk. SL are militarily trained and having something like the E-Web (which we wouldn't be the kings of using) isn't far out of the realm of possibility. The beauty of the synergy between SL and commando is that both of us could use it without the other but we would only rock if we used it together.

Wanted to add that in SW lore the E-web is usable by one person as long as he has a power droid but that it remains mostly unstable. It really requires another crewman to be really goodwith it. (thus the synergy between the two professions.)

Message Edited by DiLune on 04-13-2004 01:32 PM

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the problem is this DiLune

if you make it to where either a commando OR a Squad Leader can use it

then how exactly isit ajoint venture of nay kind?

how is it a squad-based support weapon???????

If you make it equippable and useable by SL's and Commandos then you have just trounced on it ever being a squad weapon and a joint weapon,

What you will have instead is an uber weapon that Commandos will go buy from weaponsmiths, then go aorund and solo shyte with it by themselves because its super. And since commandos will probably have skills ot use it, it will becoem a primarily COmmando weapon.

Since SL's would not have any ranged attack skills liek a commando would, then SL's would only get default attack out of it and probably, as reason would dictate, it wouldnt be better than their normal weaponry using specials. SO whats the point?

YOu want this to be a joint weapon you want ot to be a squad based support weapon.....then you have to design it as such. Otherwis eits just another weapon for commandos to go buy and go run around killing things with, and most liekly useless for an SL to us eunless he is also a commando.

If you dont like my idea about having it set up by an SL and used by a Commando then you need to have some other variable sput into it to force it more towards a squad weapon or a joint SL/Commando weapon. Such ideas include giving it a faster rate of fire if an SL is around (giving a commando more reason to be with an SL to use the weapon), allowing the SL to "tweak" the weapon in other ways, allowing the SL to boost its range or soemthing liek that

if you just throw this thing out there and say "hey heres a new weapon, an SL can use it or a COmmando can use it better" then you have destroyed all purpose to it being a joint venture at all. Explain to me why this would be a joint venture other than the fact both of these classes could use it?

A rifleman can use a pistol.....but that doesnt make him a pistoleer. Does it?

and as much as i liek you DiLune i think your very helpful and have doen a lot

i really wish we actually had an SL correspondant to debate with you and gravin, or the rest of the correspondants for that matter.

I dont have anythign against you working things with garvin nor do i have naything against youw orking on behalf of this community. I just wish there was a 3rd voice coming right out of this community (aka an SL correspondant) for issues like these

any chance thats gonna happen soon? Thulium's liek totally MIA (not that i dont liek him either, i think he's a good guy....just never around)

I dunno, its up to TH what he does at this point. If he replaces Thul I know I'll apply for the position. Just because I've got "marksman corr" as my tag doesn't mean the devs aren't listening to what I'm saying. Don't be too wrapped up in the title. I've been a part of this forum since nearly the beginning and if you'll recall I was one of the ones up for SL corr when Vem left (he recommended me and someone else at the time.)

As far as the squad based weapon goes I see it like this. SL and Commando can both use it but not as well as if they use it together. In fact I'd say using it by yourself would be about 45% of what it could be together. The incentive is to use it as a squad but you aren't faced with carrying dead SP if you don't have a commando (or conversely a SL) along with you.

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PanzerGR wrote:

the problem is this DiLune

if you make it to where either a commando OR a Squad Leader can use it

then how exactly isit ajoint venture of nay kind?

how is it a squad-based support weapon???????

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