Squad Leader Archive
Thread: Goodbye I Quit SL Correspondent Position
JEST3R wrote:
All I can say Captain Vemnox is that all correspondents were asked to provide a down and dirty top 5 for priority consideration. Understanably all issues are extremely important but it also must be understood all cannot be dealt with at the same time.
At the time we were asked top post the Top 5 for our areas, I had just recently been assigned the GCW correspondent position. In less then 48 hours I had to cull through a huge forum which had no representation since the release of the game. The GCW forum by nature is filled with completely opposing views on many topics and often times posted in a very passionate manner. The list of issues that needed attention was enormous.
However I managed to post a top 5 request in a short period of time. During the period of time I was attempting to compile a top 5 issues list that properly reflected the views of my forum I would read the top 5 issues posted by the other correspondents to properly get my bearings and to review the format used by those people who had more experience and had been a correspondent longer then I.
Your method and means of not posting a clear cut bullet listed top 5 but rather to sarcastically reference previously written posts, no matter how much time you spent on them was ignoring the request of TH, I thought it was rude and that you were doing a dis service to your profession and those who depended on you. However I kept quiet.
But to see thisattempt to do nothing more but dishearten those whom you represent and to clearly show your desire to discredit those whom truly wish to help the community while you choose to grandstand one last time while giving up, well it is an absolute disgrace. You also broke a trust placed in you. I was rather pleased to read the status of the GCW responses. While much needs to be discussed over a longer period of time before actual hard information can be passed along to my forum readers at the very least I understand that the Developers and specifically thunderheart replied to each and every one of the GCW top 5 with the same amount of passion I put into listing them.
Perhaps if you had not yet been burned out to the point where effective communication was no longer possible with you Captain Vemnox your squad leader community would have been better represented through this top 5 issues post and successive follow up responses. I would suggest next time you are in a similar position Captain Vemnox you take a moment and take a step back, review your thoughts on how you are going to reply to a critical top 5 issues request, no matter how many times you might have posted it previously. If your thoughts can only be formulated into a post of sarcastic remarks about how your previous issues must be addressed before you will meet a request to post a fresh new top 5 issues thread, then perhaps you need to silently retire as a correspondent at that point and properly suggest a replacement whom would actually represent the Squad leaders with passion.
So to sum up, Captain Vemnox I am shocked at the behavior of someone who was given a sacred trust and broke it, not by you breaking that trust to TH or the developers, though your behavior in that avenue was poor as well, but in that you broke faith with those whom had placed their hopes with you.... your fellow squad leaders.
Progress is slowly being made on all fronts, and as the game adjusts to refelect these changes over the course of many months the players will know who was responsible, it would have been TH and the devs working tirelessly to slowly address all of the players concerns.
JEST3R
Jest3r,
I have always looked forward to reading your posts in the past, whether it was on these boards, or others. I thought of you as a thoughtful player who recieved enjoyment from helping other players enjoy this, or any other game you play. I believe you are completely mistaken to come to this forum to critisize Capt. V's actions. The truth of the matter is this profession is not playable in any way except for the roleplaying benefit of the title.
You state how you were the GCW correspondent for a few days, and had only 48 hours to sort through the information. That you were happy with the response you got from TH. That is no small feat, and I am impressed. But I am also incredibly pissed too. 5 months we have been waiting for ANY kind of response. What response do we get when our correspondent posts our list? Demands to jump through fricking hoops! This is complete Bull Sh*t! We are paying for the privilage of being ignored?
Even if you want to say that Capt. Vemnox is wrong; for SOEto hold back, and completely ignore an entire profession because you don't like the correspondent? Tell me why any-ANY - paying customer should be ignored based on the actions of a non-paid SOE chosen correspondent? No, I don't care if every 2nd word CV used in detailing what is wrong with this professions was a curse word. I don't care if he physically threatened everyone at SOE. I don't care if he broke every rule of being a correspondent, that does not justify, excuse, or permit SOE, or any SOE paid spokeperson to single out this profession as the profession that gets ignored.
I am a patient man. I am an understanding one also. I have waited this long without complaint, because I understand that a game this size has alot of pieces to fix. But don't tell me you are going to ignore fixingthis because you cannot get along with another person. That is completely unacceptable.
Wow, bad form JEST3R, bad form.
I didn't realize how much of a fanobi you were. You will never know what Cap went through. You're new to this correspondent thing. You will learn, given time, that SOE can, and regularly does,do wrong. You're the correspondent for the GCW, and while that may mean SOE can't ignore you, it doesn't mean that you will get anything worthwhile accomplished.
You have no right to give Cap the belittling you did. He's a volunteer, just like you.
And, by the way, the Squad Leader community knows who has let us down. It wasn't Cap, a volunteercorrespondent. It was, and is, and ever will be, SOE.
I never posted here before but i read it everyday
sorry to see you go capt youactually had good ideas ive been a squad leader since the second week of release and never regreted it, I always though it will be so worth while once your ideas and the ideas of others are incorporated into the profession. Now I dont know.
Again Sorry to see you go
Falrith
Lowca
Terrus, don't lose all hope just yet. I suggest you stick it out through this week. We are set to get a developer response to our Top5, and that should at least give us some idea where things will be going. I can't guarantee if or when things will be improving, but hopefully this week we'll have more--or rather SOME--information to base a decision on.,
Thulium wrote:
I suggest you stick it out through this week... hopefully this week we'll have more--or rather SOME--information to base a decision on.,
I can even hear the hopelessness in your typing. Hopefully by the end of the week... maybe we'll have something... these are the words of a man dying of thirst in a desert.
And what happens at the end of this week, when we've had more information, and none of it includes a fix to Squad Leaders? Or maybe they even reply saying they'll make volley fire fail less often in the next major update (next month).
What then?
They've had all the opportunity in the world to come around and start working on this profession. They consistently choose not to, for no fault of our own. Something more drastic is needed.
Well, I at least agree with you on several points.
My point, however, is that TH hasn't promised anything material. Thunderheart has a track record, but he still has to go through the devs who also have a track record. And given thattrack record, they are highly likely to tell us, "Be patient" yet again and then what. Are we just going to sit here, do nothing? Watch our profession crumble into oblivion as more and more people get sick of it and quit?
I'm more than happy to draw that line now. They've had 5 months, that's long enough to give us a response. How much longeris this communitygoing to give them?
Thunderheart is not in a position to promise anything substantial. He is neither a Project Manager nor a Developer. Thunderheart's sole job is to facilitate communication, he's basically an uber Correspondent. His job is to gather information from the players and deliver it to the developers, and gather information from the developers and deliver it to the players. All that he has to promise is the ability to make and present reports as appropriate.
Granted, it would have been NICE to have gotten a post by Thunderheart into our forum saying "Hey, I think that's a good idea, but the devs are gonna have to talk it out for a bit and that might take a while"... But Th's job is to deliver the news, not make it, so he couldn't really be adding anything official or helpful, except as a morale booster. Yes, the silence is deafening, but it can legitimately be explained by having nothing to say just yet.
"...except as a morale booster"
Perhaps they thinkthat boosting morale should have the same effect our "boost morale"skill in the game has... pissing off just abouteveryone in the group.
Thulium wrote:
Thunderheart is not in a position to promise anything substantial. He is neither a Project Manager nor a Developer. Thunderheart's sole job is to facilitate communication, he's basically an uber Correspondent. His job is to gather information from the players and deliver it to the developers, and gather information from the developers and deliver it to the players. All that he has to promise is the ability to make and present reports as appropriate.
*shrug*
I never said he was in that position. But it is awful convenient for them to have an arbiter in between so they never have to make promises eh? You're waiting on ashes and dust, my friend.
Captain, I am very sorry to see you go...
and I am with you... I have been waiting patiently for MONTHS to hear the beautiful words of a fix come from you, but alas, they did not...
My account ends November 27th... congratulations TH, you and the rest of your team have really improved the state of the SOE community. *pffft*
-Goodbye
/salute Captain
Best of luck out there, don't let the bstards get ya down
-Psquire