Squad Leader Archive

Message Edited by TheNarcis on 10-24-2005 08:25 PM

Ya we're all aware of that kid, but I've been over at the jedi forums a little more lately. I can say this, the jedi forum doesnt need him to instigate anything. If only this were a strickly forum debate and had no apparent impact in game, I'd just leave em all to it.

If they focussed more on playability and smoother codeing alot of these bugs and inbalance wouldnt be much of a problem. Mostly, because they would be focussing on gameplay and not on insta fixes and 'hush' content in the form of ninja revamps/nerfs and goofy expansions. I'm an old fps player so gameplay is most important to me, I like to rely on my natural skill. Even on games plagued by cheats and exploits, I could counter anything if the game ran smoothly simply by being a mean mofo.

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Frag99 wrote:

I really feel sorry for the Sqaud Leader profession. I am a BH and I see exactly whats happening here. Your profession has been ineffectual andunderutilized for so long that SOE simply forgot you fellas. They balanced the professions with hardly a thought for what effect your profession would have on that balance (because prior to the upcoming revamp you had no impact on balance ...sadly).....now today they want to show you some love and WHAP!

Jedi begin screaming that your upgrade to being a decent working professionwill result in BH hunters killing them by the dozens. Sadly, these Jedi haven't given a thought to the benefits you could grant them...they are short sighted and see you as part of the enemy BH.Ina fitofnarcissism, they want your revamp whiped out. Nothing can be allowed tobalance thier power in game. Do they say, good for the SL its about time somebody got something other then a NERF....nope they cry fornerfs to your new skills.

SL SHOULD GRANT BIG BENEFITS TO GROUPS.....ITS NOT YOURFAULT THAT EVERY COMBAT ENCOUNTER HAS BEEN BALANCED FOR 1 VS 1 BH JEDI FIGHTS AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR IT.

Now the Jedi rejoice,

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1271318

they see the postponement and say the SL stuff is going to get a "BALANCE" pass. Well fellas your DOOMED.....this is nothing more thena preemptive nerf. If you want to finally gain your rightful place and be useful and desired in groups then you'd better START SCREAMING YOUR HEADS OFF. The Jedi are drowning you out.....this will DOOM the whole revamp.

Unfortunately, the Jedi profession has so many subscribers behind it that I see little hope. In all likelihood, your revamp will be end up being little more then a reshuffling of skills which will not improve your usefulness to groups. We must not anger the Jedi horde....be it for the good of the game or not.

GL to you guys, I feel for you.

Message Edited by Frag99 on 10-18-2005 11:41 AM

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Message Edited by Frag99 on 10-23-2005 09:36 PM

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lol...yet another idiot that doesn't understand that he is the cause of the nerf calling, not the Jedi. Its BH's that abuse SL buffs through the Jedi/BH tef that should be blamed. Simple solution that is in no way a nerf - make SL buffs ineffective through the BH/Jedi tef.

You know there is a problem when in one post they are talking about most damage you have done (some numbers being pretty sick) then other posts complaining about us Jedi calling for Nerfs. Everyone does know that this game was never intended to have one hit incaps right? So whether we call for nerfs or not it will still get adjusted. Just a matter of when. On a side note the reason Jedi are always at the forefront when nerfs are being called(whether right or wrong) We are the only ones that lose when we die. I know we know the risks and its part of being Jedi but don't we at least deserve a chance to fight? I am not one to call for nerfs and I dont even care if Jedi are 1.5 times stronger then BH I jsut want a fair blanced game that I can enjoy and pay my $15 a month for.

> I am a MSL/MBH so I should not have access to my SL skills during a BH fight .....
> BS and not going to happen. Some of these people don't know what havoc they
> are asking for, let me give you some examples

Weöö, form what I have heard SL is a profession to enhance members fo your group. Some
of the skills are available as self buffs. The self buffs should of course work for the
BH/SL templates, obviously.

However, SLs should not be able to buff a BH when the BH is in a fight that were designed to
be 1 on 1, except for the self-buffing that a BH/SL template could do.

Of course, the -exact- same thing would apply to a jedi. No SLs buffing them during the fight
unless the jedi sacrifices skillpoints to become a Jedi/SL hybrid, and thus able to use
whatever self buffs are available to the SL.

> SL buffs removed during Jedi fight....all the sudden all buffs start dropping during Jedi fight....

Let the bufgfs remain, just make it so that the can not be re-applied during fight, unless it's a
self buff the BH or the Jedi have access to through meddling in SL.

>. SL buff removed during Jedi fight.... now everytime you get 100 m away from a groupmate
> your buffs (all buffs go poof...

Well, if an SL is supposed to lead ahis griup and provide bonuses from leadership, do you think
it is reasonable to retain that buffing when the group members and the SL is on diffren planets?
5km from each other? 1km?

Doctor buffs OTOH is not tied to group management as SL skills are.

> Can't happen you say....bet me....the stuff coded into the SL buffs is already
> buggy...trust me you don't want these guys doing major surgery on the code to
> add selective buff dropping .... IT WOULD BE A PLAGUE OF LOCUSTS realeased on
> the buff coding. Take months to unscrew lol.

Thats rich. Lets not fix anything, because the inepts coders will only cause more bugs
and tangled messes? Of course, things that aren't broken do not need fixing, and really, I
do not think the current SL upgrade is really all that borked or overpowered as some think.

I am still afraid that once SL-dabbling becomes part of a new FOTM the nerf cries will come,
and not from jedi alone. And I think we all know that the most common way to "fix" problems
seems to be to nerf into oblivion.

the only plauge of locust i've seen is all the jerks that have invaded this forum since the publish 24 announcment. the dogs were on us from the get go (remember blue glowie? where did he go?), and those are the folks that ruin every publish by filling the feedback and discussion threads with total crap and falsehoods for the benifit of their own proffesion. booo on all of you, you know who you are.

Frag99-- I almost can't even comment on your comments... I just read some of them again and realize your the type of player then needs these buffs to play the game I bet.

Listen, this or 99.9% of Jedi DO NOT WANT SL NERFED get that through your little head kiddo.

What we want is to have nothing to do with it at ALL..

In fact we want no buffs from the SL involved in any of our player vs player battles... period.

So while you say we want them nerfed , YOU kid are wrong. We want them to enjoy thier new found skills and to enjoy it.

However we also want to make sure we are not involved with the offset balance issue we have with it.

The only issue we have is with the BH using the skills given to them from the SL -- not the SL itself.

SO while you may post the silly things you do, you need to know what Jedi really wants vs what you THINK they want.

Message Edited by iskareot on 10-27-2005 07:38 PM

[quote]remember blue glowie? where did he go?[/quote]

Sarcasmo:
Still here, sort of in indecisive limbo now, since my own personal 'ranger' revamp (utilizing MSL+MR+scout and medic) is obviated by the recently announced ranger revamp. As for the locusts you refer to, tough. Deal with it. I supported the removal of the GL requirement for SL enhancements - pretty much for exactly the same reasons the devs rationalized the change... it was helping to keep the SL profession unpopular. It's ok that you and I disagree on that, but it's really hard to take your comments seriously when the majority of them are poorly disguised personal attacks.

I think the obvious answer here is permadeath, resulting in immediate forum banning and followed by castration of the account holder.

Knowing how devs do things with "fixes" aka nerfs, instead of dealing with the BH/Jedi TEF issue, they'll probably just tone down the damage output or other related buffs to a nerfed state. Sad but I forsee this happening if we don't get the devs' attention the proper way.

just an expamle not a personal attack on you glowie. i'm glad to see you've decided to master sl.