Squad Leader Archive
Thread: Squad Leader Weapons: Why we should have a special one
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Ductor_Antares
Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:03 pm
#1
I have been in 3 combat zones IRL, and in my experience with the Army, Marines, Air Force, and Navy is that officers when in a combat zone dress like their troopers but are issued a special weapon.
Marine Officers for instance were issued a .44 Desert Eagle, something you will not see common in the US nor issued to Enlisted.
AF / Naval Officers (Flight) are issued a .22 pistol, mainly as a hold out pistol in the event that they crash. The .22 pistol is only used though because .22 ammunition is commonly used worldwide and is standard NATO ammunition. The chance that you will be able to get additional ammo would be slim but in the event that you do there is a higher chance.
Something that is common to all officers worldwide though is the tradition of the Sword. The most common would be the 1 handed rapier, even in Japan where most people believe they use a 2 handed sword for officers.
Sword Tradition:
Spawning from the fact that swords were not originally that common due to how much it costs to make them in materials, not including the labor, as well as in maintenance... most early swords owned by non military individuals or families would rust and warp. Sometime elite units would have a form of shortsword like the glaive or the rare longswords, but these were for massive countries such as the Roman Empire which could afford such expense. Commanders though were always expected to have a sword, it was a symbol of their position and rank. Knights are knighted by the sword by their king or Queen.
Examples -
George Washington - Depicted with a Sword
Napoleon Bonaparte - Always seen depicted as carrying a sword
John Paul Jones -American Revolution Captain, carried a sword when attacking British ships as well as a pistol
John Barry - "Father of the American Navy" always carried his position of rank... his sword
Charles Cornwallis - British Lieutenant General of the American Revolution, surrendered to the Americans by having his lackey give the American General his sword in symbolism of totall surrender.
As well as mnany others I dont care to look up and make sure they have accessable images.
Gun Tradition:
The French and British began equipting officers with pistols, mainly it was only officers at first because a production line to make them did not exist so all were hand made.... and why should the King pay for peasant special order weapons? Later the pistol achieved the "sword" status in meaning that it was harder to produce in massive quantities compared to rifles and other bulky hand cannons that required less precise parts.
Examples -
John Paul Jones -American Revolution Captain, carried a sword when attacking British ships as well as a pistol
Ulysses S. Grant - Famous Union General, carries a pistol into war
Robert E. Lee - Famous Confederate General of the Civil War, always with his pistols.
Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson - Famous Confederate General of the Civil War, always carrying his pistols
General Patton - Famous US General of WW2, always with his trusty revolver
Adolf Hitler - Always shown when in military dress with a pistol. Some may argue that he is not a good choice, but he did convince and lead millions fanatically into war.
and many many many others
Blackferne
Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:10 pm
#2
I as a MSL will wear my nerfbat proudly.
/statuePose
Seriously, we need a weapon that is ours, and cannot be used by someone else. My fear of making it a pistol, rifle, or carbine is that it would encourage ALL SLs to go that as a secondary profession. Perhaps one of each.
c4coats
Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:46 pm
#3
What could be done would be simle IMO, just fix the Beam Rifle, make it SL weapon only. Why not? Aint the best weapon in game but, would be nice.
PanzerGR
Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:46 pm
#4
i would not mind a special SL weapon for each category.....a sword, pistol, carbine, rifle, pike all SL-only
make them comparable to the stuff those proffs get at novice certification.
THAT would be cool
BountyHuntah2222
Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:02 pm
#5
Oh man I love that idea.
That would be really awesome if we got our own weapon like that...I also think it would be good to have what PanzerGR said, a weapon for each category...you would somehow choose which one you want kind of thing.
That would be really awesome if we got our own weapon like that...I also think it would be good to have what PanzerGR said, a weapon for each category...you would somehow choose which one you want kind of thing.
irott
Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:53 pm
#6
Ok... since we are on this topic.
How would you really feel about a weapon for each branch of the marksman tree? A SL specific carbine, pistol and rifle?
Remember that each of the three professions are going to work differently than they do now.
Squad Leaders will be about group bonuses first, but if we have our own weapons other professions might just dabble to get them.
Should they be placed at Novice? or should they be found at a tier IV branch?
DiLune
Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:34 pm
#7
I would say place them at novice and if possible do what has been asked for in other elite profs and make some better weapons available at higher tiers.
PanzerGR
Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:37 pm
#9
honestly Irott i think it would be great..and it would not imbalance the system whatsoever, even with 'possible' upcoming changes if they were put into Master SL or farther p in the tree.
Mayeb they should be better than the novice level weapons for those elite's.....but if not even just a different SL-only weapon with comparable stats would be awesome....soemthing to make SL's stick out.
Perhaps comparable stats with a different energy type or extra AP rating would be cool.
In a way..i do no want to declare SL an elite combat proff (its really a hybrid combat) and thence give us like an imbalancing weapon. If nothing else i do not want any imbalances in the system. proff...but i think that giving us soemhting different and unique is definately a possibility that we should look into.
Make it master cert.and if possible slightly better than other weapons of the type (i mean, if the gun we get is worse than all the other guns...why bother using it?) At th every least it should be a good all-around weapon.
For instance..Im a carbineer. My main 2 weapons for PvP are the laser carbine and Dxr6 carbine. The laser is th emost versatile and has th ehighest damage and an Ap2 rating.....for most things theres no sense in using anything else. Depending on your enemy in PvP, the DXR6 may be slightly better due to mitigations. But overall you basically have 1 or 2 weapons for each proff which are the standard "best" of the class.
Our unique weapons would have to be AT LEAST on par with those.
And given future changes they would have to be as versatile or more versatile and effective as the other weapons for each class. SO even if things change durign the CB...our weapons should remain on par with the better weapons in each category.
As i said..im nto asking for anything imbalancing to the system or uber. But if they are not at least on par, or in some other way unique and liek a "prize" (liek having a good damage type or higher AP rating or something) then theres no point in having them except fo rlooks.
I think we deserve looks and functionality.
Blackferne
Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:01 pm
#10
My biggest concern is that there be a weapon to cover each of the ranged professions. Only because I don't want to see SL best played by ____. I think allowing for SL Melee weapons is cool, but not required since ranged support s a pre-req. As for Certs The idea of base better best spread through the tree is cool.
Base SL pistol-novice
Mid way- Tier 4 someplace
Master Weapon
Just my thoughts.
InfluenzaSWTA
Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:06 pm
#11
While I'm attracted to the idea of "Officer's Carbine", etc. weapons, Panzer makes an excellent point that these weapons would have to be at least on par with the Master weapons from other professions in order to be worth anything. That, or they'd need built-in modifiers to our abilities (which will hopefully WORK after our revamp 
)... something like the Featherweight FWG5, only perhaps +15 to group defenses and other abilities. That's something I'd be willing to carry... a weapon that sacrifices my maximum damage potential to further increase my group benefits. That's a true Squad Leader weapon. For best effect, I'd say make a pistol, carbine, and rifle version of such a weapon.
)... something like the Featherweight FWG5, only perhaps +15 to group defenses and other abilities. That's something I'd be willing to carry... a weapon that sacrifices my maximum damage potential to further increase my group benefits. That's a true Squad Leader weapon. For best effect, I'd say make a pistol, carbine, and rifle version of such a weapon.
irott
Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:07 pm
#12
Thanks for your thoughts FB...
Thats how I feel as well (if something like this ends up happening... <.<
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.*whistle*
PanzerGR
Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:41 pm
#13
InfluenzaSWTA wrote:
While I'm attracted to the idea of "Officer's Carbine", etc. weapons, Panzer makes an excellent point that these weapons would have to be at least on par with the Master weapons from other professions in order to be worth anything. That, or they'd need built-in modifiers to our abilities (which will hopefully WORK after our revamp
i like that as well
liek i said theyd have to be on par with other weapons......but i wouldnt mind if they werent right at the cutting edge if they had built in modifiers...............although i would still say theyd need to be real good even with modifiers because if they just werent good enuff then itd be a very hard choice to make.
Something near the top with modifiers would be wel worth it, even if it wasnt as good as a 620 damage laser carbine.
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