Squad Leader Archive
Thread: Suggestion to perhaps change called shot
Sylow has a suggestion here for an alternative to nerfing it. Its fairly coding intensive for SOE's Devs, and will require a reduction in the Called Shot damage bonus and longer cool-down timer I think, but its a nice idea.
Another idea would just be scrap Called Shot and give us a weapon special.
Hense cover fire, it would be a crowd control special. We are supposed to have a 3 in CC.
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Sylow has a suggestion here for an alternative to nerfing it. Its fairly coding intensive for SOE's Devs, and will require a reduction in the Called Shot damage bonus and longer cool-down timer I think, but its a nice idea.
Another idea would just be scrap Called Shot and give us a weapon special.
MailekEOC wrote:
Hense cover fire, it would be a crowd control special. We are supposed to have a 3 in CC.
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Sylow has a suggestion here for an alternative to nerfing it. Its fairly coding intensive for SOE's Devs, and will require a reduction in the Called Shot damage bonus and longer cool-down timer I think, but its a nice idea.
Another idea would just be scrap Called Shot and give us a weapon special.
Spoken like a couple Jedi, as new sqaud leader I call for doubling the damage of called shot.....hows thatgrab you
Why don't you guys give some of the old time SL's (not me) a moment in the sun before you start screaming ....PLEASE NERF ME!....(/whisper Yeah we all know your the alt of some Jedi who's trembling in his house in fear of BH/SL ....)
Old SL? So, the fact that I've been MSL for about 15 months now and been an active participant of this forum for that duration doesn't qualify? And where did I say nerf me, huh? We are trying to find a balanced solution to this before various non-SL voices get our profession nerfed into worthlessness, and your trolling is getting very annoying. Called Shot has already been nerfed from a 155% to 110% bonus before it even went live, approaching worthless at that percentage for acharacter who doesn't have sniper shot or similar attack like myself. Oh, my alt is a SW... my main is the MSL / Jedi with no Vis, any other questions?
Frag99 wrote:
MailekEOC wrote:
Hense cover fire, it would be a crowd control special. We are supposed to have a 3 in CC.
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Sylow has a suggestion here for an alternative to nerfing it. Its fairly coding intensive for SOE's Devs, and will require a reduction in the Called Shot damage bonus and longer cool-down timer I think, but its a nice idea.
Another idea would just be scrap Called Shot and give us a weapon special.
Spoken like a couple Jedi, as new sqaud leader I call for doubling the damage of called shot.....hows thatgrab you
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Old SL? So, the fact that I've been MSL for about 15 months now and been an active participant of this forum for that duration doesn't qualify? And where did I say nerf me, huh? We are trying to find a balanced solution to this before various non-SL voices get our profession nerfed into worthlessness, and your trolling is getting very annoying. Called Shot has already been nerfed from a 155% to 110% bonus before it even went live, approaching worthless at that percentage for acharacter who doesn't have sniper shot or similar attack like myself. Oh, my alt is a SW... my main is the MSL / Jedi with no Vis, any other questions?
Frag99 wrote:
MailekEOC wrote:
Hense cover fire, it would be a crowd control special. We are supposed to have a 3 in CC.
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Sylow has a suggestion here for an alternative to nerfing it. Its fairly coding intensive for SOE's Devs, and will require a reduction in the Called Shot damage bonus and longer cool-down timer I think, but its a nice idea.
Another idea would just be scrap Called Shot and give us a weapon special.
Spoken like a couple Jedi, as new sqaud leader I call for doubling the damage of called shot.....hows thatgrab you
Frag99 wrote:
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Old SL? So, the fact that I've been MSL for about 15 months now and been an active participant of this forum for that duration doesn't qualify? And where did I say nerf me, huh? We are trying to find a balanced solution to this before various non-SL voices get our profession nerfed into worthlessness, and your trolling is getting very annoying. Called Shot has already been nerfed from a 155% to 110% bonus before it even went live, approaching worthless at that percentage for acharacter who doesn't have sniper shot or similar attack like myself. Oh, my alt is a SW... my main is the MSL / Jedi with no Vis, any other questions?
Frag99 wrote:
MailekEOC wrote:
Hense cover fire, it would be a crowd control special. We are supposed to have a 3 in CC.
Loki_Ashaman wrote:
Sylow has a suggestion here for an alternative to nerfing it. Its fairly coding intensive for SOE's Devs, and will require a reduction in the Called Shot damage bonus and longer cool-down timer I think, but its a nice idea.
Another idea would just be scrap Called Shot and give us a weapon special.
Spoken like a couple Jedi, as new sqaud leader I call for doubling the damage of called shot.....hows thatgrab you
...and it was you and Jedi like you that got that Preemptive Nerfing done right. BTW thanks for proving my point there Mr. Jedi.
Your not makin many points on these forums.
Called Shot does not only effect Jedi, but all PvP combat, how would you like running into a fight, get painted and die without a chance to defend yourself?
Ok, I've been bouncing this idea off a few other MSLs, and I know at least Frag99 will flame me for this, but I consider this a brainstorming thread and the point of brainstorming is to toss any idea (no matter how lame) and discuss it's merits and flaws, and then either elimate it or build on it, so here goes.
We've already got Paint Target, giving use +15% damage at Master against one target, why do we have 2nd ability that is also damage increaser? Why not an Accuraccy increaser instead? Get rid of the damage bonus of Called Shot, and make it a short term single target accuracy buff (Devs will code it as a short term Defense debuff). Say at Novice it gives +200 Accuracy and at Master it gives +500 Accuracy, and instead of lasting only 1 shot it lasts a few seconds (5? 10?).
Reasoning: Tanks have Center of Being, Duelist Stance, and Force Aura to buff their defense. Offensively, the only skill to counter those 3 abilities is Aim from Rifleman.
Thoughts? Comments? Complaints? Flames?
Actually... sounds pretty good. It wouldn't be helpful for a single person any more, but for a group of people attacking, it could be nice... Despite it would be bound to only be something like 5% of improvement. No accuracy buff/debuff moves numbers much more than that.
If it should be more effective than that, i wonder if an armour debuff also could make sense?
Loki_Ashaman wrote:Ok, I've been bouncing this idea off a few other MSLs, and I know at least Frag99 will flame me for this, but I consider this a brainstorming thread and the point of brainstorming is to toss any idea (no matter how lame) and discuss it's merits and flaws, and then either elimate it or build on it, so here goes.
We've already got Paint Target, giving use +15% damage at Master against one target, why do we have 2nd ability that is also damage increaser? Why not an Accuraccy increaser instead? Get rid of the damage bonus of Called Shot, and make it a short term single target accuracy buff (Devs will code it as a short term Defense debuff). Say at Novice it gives +200 Accuracy and at Master it gives +500 Accuracy, and instead of lasting only 1 shot it lasts a few seconds (5? 10?).
Reasoning: Tanks have Center of Being, Duelist Stance, and Force Aura to buff their defense. Offensively, the only skill to counter those 3 abilities is Aim from Rifleman.
Thoughts? Comments? Complaints? Flames?
A counter to the defensive abilities sounds pretty solid to me, it would also still justify using both specials AND provide differentation between the two abilities.
Frag99 wrote:
Spoken like a couple Jedi, as new sqaud leader I call for doubling the damage of called shot.....hows thatgrab you
This made me laugh....and laugh hard.
Because, frag99...Loki is OBVIOUSLY a jedi/bh alt forum poster with his 3k+ posts and "pilot" forum rank (what's that, 1 1/2 years minimum? 2 yrs?) /sarcasm off.
FYI frag, if you look around and had been here for longer than a week or two you would have noticed that a number of the squad leaders posting to get the profession "nerfed" are really trying to do quite the opposite. The position the community has taken is one that careful tweaking and changing now (such as a reduction in abilities such as called shot which have serious problems associated with their use, regardless of intent) can prevent much harsher and more disabliling changes later. Moderate and reasonable changes now in place of sudden and rash decisions later which could seriously hurt our profession's ability to function effectively.
As to Mailek...I can speak personally that he is not a jedi. quite to the contrary he was the driving force behind my guild's pvp division for 6+ months and has never (as far as i can remember) dropped the Squad Leader profession.
BOTH of these people are much more dedicated and well-aquaintedto their profession than you obviously are (you openly admit that you only recently became a SL, as well as an obvious inexperience with the history of profession changes in SWG based on your comments). If you even have a shread of reason about you, you might be able to see the problems with doubling the bonus on called shot.
Profession list please?