Squad Leader Archive

Do you guys agree that having a bot that sits in a house 3000m away from the battle shouting the commands is a cheesy way to play the SL profession? I'm personally proud of my guild on Bloodfin considering we are one of THE ONLY guilds on the server, that actually has an overt SL that runs around and carries out both combat and his SL responsibilities.

Do you guys think that SL commands should only be allowed to be shouted if the SL is overt, or should EVERY SL command give a tef? Also, do you think you should be within 254 meters for the commands to take effect?

I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum.
Unless otherwise noted, this post does not reflect the Leadership of the FIGHT guild.

I think it is cheesy as heck, no doubt. But I do have a differnt view on it.

When my group uses an afk SL bot, it affords us the opprotunity to use that person on another toon, which actually increases our group by 1.

I will use them but yes it is cheesy.

sPuk Radiant
kuPs Ahazi
Minion of Kellie (The original)! Yeah that one!

See I disagree completely there. I think it SUBTRACTS your group by one. With a bot, you are required to leave one spot open for a toon that does nothing but give you the SL commands. With a rifleman SL, you can have a SL DBing, headshotting, applying states and stuff like that. I honestly think Carbineer SL as the best choice. You get a string of states AND knockdowns that the SL can use to benefit the group.

I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum.
Unless otherwise noted, this post does not reflect the Leadership of the FIGHT guild.

I am with Faithdies on this one.

The problem I have had from the very begining of my SL Revamp proposal is HOW to prevent bots.

One of the dev's approachs to countering the Entertainer AFK bots were to make ATK entertainers more desireable. This would be done by changing the buff/heal system to work faster for an ATK player while an AFK would work the same old slow way. I don't think that making ATK Squad Leaders more desireable than bots would work the same way. It needs to be all or nothing.

My proposal has two solutions currently... they are just placeholders at the moment, because this topic is something I haven't worked on all that much.

The first solution is to keep these SL commands from being put into macros. That just knocks them right out.... no bots at all. (Note: The hole in this one is the /ui action toolbarSlotxx commands... these can make anything in your toolbar macroable)

Second solution is similar to the first in that it prevents SL commands from being macroed but all SL commands are taken from the normal command list and placed into a "Squad Leader Toolbar". This toolbar would be constant once you reach Novice SL and would gain more options as you went up the tree. This wouldnt stop 3rd Party macro programs... but its kinda hard to stop them reguardless.

Thoughts?

[irott and the full effect]
Master Squad Leader

---

"We're all in it together" - Archibald 'Harry' Tuttle

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather...
to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming: "WOW - What a ride!"

Well limiting the range and TEFs are another topic I am working on. I wouldn't use those as bot preventatives though.

[irott and the full effect]
Master Squad Leader

---

"We're all in it together" - Archibald 'Harry' Tuttle

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather...
to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming: "WOW - What a ride!"

About the group size, on Radiant it is nearly impossible to get a group of 20 lol our server population is WAY down lol

For us, the bot works well as far as that goes.

/shrug

but yes, it is cheesy lol

sPuk Radiant
kuPs Ahazi
Minion of Kellie (The original)! Yeah that one!

Quite honestly, as a former SL, I came to understand the fact that SL bots are ideal in the current state of the game. For the amount of skill points you use and with the reward thereof (which as of late has been banning for special usage etc.) I can honestly say that a bot is a solution.

The issue isn't about macro making. It has to do with the fact that as a "group profession" with no benefits in combat to the individual, there's little reason for someone to sit behind a half template toon. I know because I myself got annoyed with not even benefiting from my own commands during a battle. I could stay back away from an engagement, but thus limit myself in combat roles. You can say we're support. But other than the need for formup and a constant burst, what's the use? One dizzy from a flurry shot hits me, and I"m effectively useless until it's cleared.

I believe that if you added more things for the Squad Leader him/herself to actually do that would be more fulfilling, you'd see more people actually playing squad leader instead of just fulfilling its limited role.

"When life throws a curve ball, don't duck...you just might miss something"

I agree Telakyte. SL needs active stuff to do...people wouldn't bot unless they had a good reason to. If AFK play is just as good (or better because you are doing something else at the same time somewhere else) then they will play AFK. The reward is their time back while their toon is still useful. Problem all bottable professions face.

Telakyte you are one hundred percent right.

Im a carbineer squad leader and i decided to give up much of my SL ability to pick up BH carbines. I just left myself with formup, retreat, and as much negotiation and efficiency as possible. Now i dont SL bot i only have one account so i cant really, but the fact that i am getting all the benefits of the profession by spending something like under 40 skill points is pathetic. When the revamp goes through (assuming much of the community ideas are implemented) this entire problem will disappear. I mean who would rather make a bot and spam formup and retreat then get in a battle and lay down trenches and all these great ideas the community came up with. Give us a revamp and bots will be gone. Hell if they gave us a revamp and started banning SL bots that would be fine because all of us real squad leaders would be active in our role so we wouldnt care if they weeded out the abusers right?

Edoh
Member of Sturmgrenadier
Master Squad Leader
Master Carbineer
Starsider

Perhaps. But I for one haven't seen a Dev response (a clearly detailed plan for us) so therefore have little faith in what's to come. I gave up SL not because I hate being an SL, but hated being only equal to a bot.

Until I see something by a Red Name that at least gives me an idea of what in the world is going on, and more importantly, in the near future....I will remain a SL in exile.

"When life throws a curve ball, don't duck...you just might miss something"

Hey a FIGHT member, wheres your guys PA city? What planet?

Cuz i see lots and lots of you at VoD, always dueling.

BTW, whats the best 2 trees for SL? Cuz im going MCM with SL, or splitting CM and SL so its equal.

Or, should i Master SL and leave some CM stuff out?

Cuz im into Leading and helping.

FONT-FAMILY: Papyrus\"> Fizzek Decimator FONT-FAMILY: Papyrus\">
FONT-FAMILY: Papyrus\">-SWG Sucks, only forums are fun- FONT-FAMILY: Papyrus\">If you see this, im not playing Joint Ops