Squad Leader Archive
Thread: here's why we dont get any love
no, i dont think so.
we arent the devs. we dont know what projects they're involved on and what is coming in future publishes. for all we know, Squad Leader is slated for some major attention w/ publish 21. but could just as easily be publish 41.
and i dont think other players say to themselves "well, the devs dont care about SL, i dont either". they think to themselves "how can i defeat these picket missions the fastest? how can i beat necrosis the easiest? what will make DWB a quicker run?"players are more narrow minded than that; they're concerned about their play time and their game experience. the answer they give themselves is more jedi. we know they can benefit from our services, but the players dont see it. we know we bring something to the table NOW, not in a dozen hotfixes from now!
no, i dont think the problem is the devs dont pay attention to us. i think the problem is that the players dont pay attention to us. if we could get the players to say "hey, wow, SL is pretty cool. its too bad the numbers you give are too low in the CU" then we can add their voices to our voices when asking the devs to pay attention. the only way to do that is to go out and show the players we have a place in their grind group; show them we have something to contribute now.
i undertand the points you both have given. but we've gone this long without anything from the devs. and that's because we just sit around saying "woah is us!" while the others say "Squad Leader? Pfft....go back to Ft Tusken, n00b". that tactic hasnt worked before, why would it change to work now? yes, the others recognize we need some help from the devs, but ultimately they couldnt care less if we ever get it because they see no benefit from ever having a Squad Leader around.
make them care if we get attention from the devs is what im championing.
KJFett3 wrote:
Because as it was said before of the devs at fan fest...they don't know what to do with us.
The one profesison that "should" be the most desired in a group is left competing for leftover slots.
We are usefull, and I'd take a Squad leader, or combat medic/doctor, or carbineer, or even a pikeman over jedi or rifleman any day, since I'm not a mindless spammer and I know how to put people to use. The harsh thing about this debate is, do we stand tall and emphisise our usefullness and abilities, or do we adapt to what a couple other professions utilise and try to be the 'squeeky weel' so that we might get some attention? Myself I'd rather let everyone els throw a fit and keep the attention off of us, or in short, I just want them to leave us alone.
If what happend to creature handlers is any indication of how they 'help' a profession or fix it, then I'd rather stay the way we are now.
BadChef wrote:
We are usefull, and I'd take a Squad leader, or combat medic/doctor, or carbineer, or even a pikeman over jedi or rifleman any day, since I'm not a mindless spammer and I know how to put people to use. The harsh thing about this debate is, do we stand tall and emphisise our usefullness and abilities, or do we adapt to what a couple other professions utilise and try to be the 'squeeky weel' so that we might get some attention? Myself I'd rather let everyone els throw a fit and keep the attention off of us, or in short, I just want them to leave us alone.
If what happend to creature handlers is any indication of how they 'help' a profession or fix it, then I'd rather stay the way we are now.
We aren't saying it is totally useless. It has many issues though, and falls far short on the level of what it should be. If that is okay with you, then well...not everyone shoots for high goals. The simple fact that you would dismiss a rifleman is more than enough for me to know you don't have all your eggs in the basket. 
I do agree with you about the "help" comment though...but can they really make SL any worse? 
Dare I even ask?!
valdimor wrote:
Ask the guy with the red target painted over him if he think SL is useless.
Guys i just recently hit master squad leader and master pistoleer. along with this i got ranged healing in combat medic too. this combo is awesome. I can save my teams ass with the buffs and volley fire. and i can heal them all at the same time. This combo has made me extremely popular on Dantooine. Someone out there use this technique. I see no problems with our profession except that we need better pistols! I love being a squad leader and i wouldnt have it any other way.
-Shadowlance-
Squad Leader and LOVIN IT!
what would i have you say? are you serious? did you even read the same thread i did?
im joking, but at the same time, im not joking.
SL is the laughing stock of the CU to the rest of the games players. not to insult rangers...but some of the comments on that thread put us below the usefullness of a ranger. and that prof wasnt even part of the CU revamp!!
Kharast wrote:
what would i have you say? are you serious? did you even read the same thread i did?
im joking, but at the same time, im not joking.
SL is the laughing stock of the CU to the rest of the games players. not to insult rangers...but some of the comments on that thread put us below the usefullness of a ranger. and that prof wasnt even part of the CU revamp!!
yes, some of our specials were made obsolete by the CU. well, the numbers behind them, not the specials themselves. we are NOT broken. we just need some tweaks to the numbers to overcome the obstacles facing us currently. unfortunately, the playerbase sees us as a broken and useless profession. go to that thread and convince them otherwise. heck, even create a thread on your server's forum because if Bloodfin feels this way then surely Chilastra, Sunrunner, Wanderhome and the others do as well.
if the players dont see a use for us then the devs wont spend the time and effort to improve the profession. we are not the non-factor that 90% of them think we are.
go and tell/show them that.