Squad Leader Archive

I have seen NOTHING positive from our correspondant. I am working Ranger and SL trees, and the Ranger correspondants are wonderful. Ranger has gone from being a lesser needed class to being a valuable class. Is this the result of positive and constructive criticism by the community, represented by the Correspondant?Probably.

Now, In SL, our correspondent is negative, sarcastic and petty. He wants to remake the class. He supports those who want to gain exp off of pets in groups, rather than encouraging group play.

He is now planning a massive complaint about the new skills being given to the class.

I think we need someone more mature, fair, and positive being our correspondent.

Let's try to get the class fixed. Less exp or a fairer formula for exp implemented. A few practical abilitites.

Stop flaming the Devs. If I were them, I certainly would not support a bunch of whiners, I'd work with the classes that productively work with us. But instead, our correspondent if fanning the flames. Surest way to get any positive ideas buried is to send them in with a bunch of negative comments.

Anyone else agree?

Kryibacca

Chilastra

He's a part of our community, he listens to us, and fights for the majority of us. If anyone's whining lately it sounds like it's you =P

Kryibacca wrote.. ""

"I have seen NOTHING positive from our correspondant. I am working Ranger and SL trees, and the Ranger correspondants are wonderful. Ranger has gone from being a lesser needed class to being a valuable class. Is this the result of positive and constructive criticism by the community, represented by the Correspondant?Probably."

Nonsense. The correspondent forwarded all of our suggestions and the developers just ignored him. If the developers had followed our suggestions we would all think our correspondent was a hero. In fact, they have done just the opposite of what we wanted and suggested. The current situation has everything to do with the developers and nothing to do with the correspondent as far as I can see.

"Now, In SL, our correspondent is negative, sarcastic and petty. He wants to remake the class. He supports those who want to gain exp off of pets in groups, rather than encouraging group play."

If you follow our mb threads you would know that a decisive majority or SL's want to remake our class. Furthermore, our correspondent has gotten a lot of grieffor suggesting that we should NOT get exp from having pets in a group! Unless this is a typo on your end, he is on your side in this issue. You would know this if you read our mb.

"He is now planning a massive complaint about the new skills being given to the class."

Go Vem! Most of us support this complaint. If you don't, just post you don't support it. That's why he has asked forfeedback before complaining to ensure that is the will of the community.Don't write this ill conceived post just because you obviously dissagree.

"I think we need someone more mature, fair, and positive being our correspondent."

I think our correspondent is mature and unfortunately has to put up with BS posts like this.

"Let's try to get the class fixed. Less exp or a fairer formula for exp implemented. A few practical abilitites."

What do you thing Vem and most of us have been trying to do? Please read our message boards before you write such trite!

"Stop flaming the Devs. If I were them, I certainly would not support a bunch of whiners, I'd work with the classes that productively work with us. But instead, our correspondent if fanning the flames. Surest way to get any positive ideas buried is to send them in with a bunch of negative comments."

We have got to be the most mature and patient segment of the SWG community until the proposed "upgrades" were suggested. Now we have found that our patience has come to naught and it is our correspondents duty to inform the developers on how we feel about this subject. They put together the correspondents progrem to get feedback from usand if the feedback is negative then its negative. They should think through their suggestion more before posting it. They really should be embarrased not to expect the response they would get from the proposed "upgrades." It is really amature hour on their part.

"Anyone else agree?"

I don't agree at all. Instead of whining and complaining you should suggest improvements to our skill tree, provide feedback on our class "upgrades" on the official thread like everyone else, and become a steady contributor to the discussion. You only have 5 posts on this board. The first one was a week ago. Three of them have been on the Group Xp thread (can we kill that already?), plus this post plus your post whining about the petition our Correspondent is really obligated to start based on the feedback we have given him so far.

I give you high marks for Hutspah!

I've been disappointed by just the lack of organization on this thread. Theres been several FAQ attempts, skill summaries, top 5 issue summaries etc... that have just been lost in the noise of this forum. Every new SL has to post the same questions over and over again. I also think thatin the absence of good feedback the dev group has developered their own plan.

Vem shouldn't be going anywhere. Check out some of the other Profession threads. When the Devs hand down something that the playerbase isn't thrilled with, a lot of the Corespondants try to mediate the issue. Vem hasn't made his disappointmed with these new skills any kind of a secret (as most of us have not), and I'm glad to see it.

As important as this next development period is going to be for us, the LAST thing we need is to spend our time arguing over who our corespondant should be. And the last thing we need is someone unfamiliar in the role. We also need someone who is willing to say to the Devs, "Look, I'm trying to be nice here, and compared to the rest of the thread, I AM being nice when I say that we all think these new skills suck." I think Vem will stand up for us on this, and that's what we need right now.

Unless you happen to be one of those people that LIKES the new skills, and don't want us to get any changes in. In which case I firmly advise you to go play Creature Handler.

Sorry bro, but NONE of what is going on is our Correspondent's fault. He is doing the best he can, and he is (rightfully) very aggrivated that the Devs didn't listen to asingle word we sent them in our top 5 issues

Seriously, what would you prefer? A Correspondant that either acts like nothing is wrong or shows some vague shadow of concern, but never raises his voice?

It's not like he's sending the Devs "u sUxx0rz n00bz! w3z B n33d!n d4 skiZZl3z!" The Devs aren't humorless pigs, ya know. There is a difference between satire and being nasty about things. Besides, they haven't read anything in this forum so far, why should that change now?

Perhaps, just perhaps. . . the real issue here is that you don't agree with Vem (and the majority of the Squad Leaders here) and you want him ousted for not agreeing with you. Well even if that happens, who do you think is going to replace him? Someone that likes Puppeteer Skills? No.

As angry as this board is, anyone who replaced Vem would likely be LESS civil and clearheaded about this issue. Hey, I'd be hard pressed not to be bloodthirsty.

If you don't like the direction of the threads, go provide some compelling arguments. Go through the skill list and explain why each skill is GOOD. If you just don't like Vem, go take a hike.

What? I support pets in groups for xp. Vem does not. He is quite plain on that stance. I know the point of this post is not to argue that line, but how do pets for xp not promote group play? I group with two CH and they put all three of their pets in the group each. That's another 6 slots taken that I can't do anything about. I shouldn't get SL xp for that?

As to your attack on Vem, he should resign. We should all resign SL. I'm a Master of the profession but I am ready to give it up. Then you and the handfull left can get the new SL abilities and find that most PCs will not group with you. Then, in order to get them to group with you you will find that you don't use any of your abilities except a few cosmetic fluff ones. While the docs are rezzing your groupies you will be using sysmsg and setting their target before combat only. Impressive. You'll be left with nothing for abilities, again, and have to wait another three months for more changes. Meanwhile the rest of us will have simply moved on from the class in something more useful.

The letter may force the Devs to at least come here and have a dialog with us. Right now they are making these changes in the dark. The fact that Vem actually came to us and said "i'm going to send this letter and I want your input" speaks volumes about his place as correspondant. Frankly, I think he should send the letter right now, before anymore coding can be done on the class. Get them to make substantive changes to the class, not simply cosmetic fluff.

Before the ranger changes none of us was particularly gung-ho about getting the class changed. We just wanted our stuff to work. What they are doing with the Ranger is awesome and speaks volumes about what kinds of positive changes can be made. What they are doing to SL speaks volumes about the negative side of things.

I'm sorry you don't like negativity. I'm sorry you perceive disagreement as negativity. If we don't speak out for ourselves though, nobody will.

Ahhhh. . . ahhhhh. . . ahhhhhhhhh. . . aaahhhhhh-ccchhhoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

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He's doing exactly what the majority of us want.

I think Vem is a straight shooter. It's been my perception that he wasvery go-against-the-flow-of-negativityearly on. He was often reminding the community to "just hang on, it'll get better". When, in his opinion, it did not get better, he got frustrated and I don't blame him and respect him for his resolve, even though I don't agree with him. He takes too much heat in a thankless task. People seem to think he actually works for SOE or something. Hint: He's a volunteer. He has been on both sides of the fence of popular opinion and isn't afraid to speak his mind on either side. So I for one /salute CaptainVemnox.

-Psquire

(This is all besides the fact that originally sony said the correspondant role would be a rotating gig, so more voices could be heard.)

Our correspondent is doing exactly what he should be doing: providing the developers feedback on the Squad Leader profession from the playerbase.

That means he should tell them what we really think, not try to curry favor by sucking up. He's doing exactly that. He doesn't have any responsibility to be impartial - he plays this game too. It's not the correspondents job to maintain a FAQ or answer someone's question about where to train SL skills. It's the correspondent's job to communicate with the developers.

Vem has my full support.

I keep adding to this thread mostly because I am annoyed by it. However that works.

What's that, you want an FAQ? Submit one. It's not Vem's job to write those sorts of things up. He said himself that he would get one stickied if someone posted a comprehensive guide.