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Thread: Jedi, Bounty Hunters,..anyone else????
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Datink_Nieleft
Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:31 am
#1
What the heck is going on? Anyone else want to take a chunk out of the Smuggler profession?
Now we have BH's dropping in,..asking about how we will feel when Jedi nerf Feign Death for us. I went over to the BH boards. I went over to the Jedi boards. Are you kidding me??? We only have so many damn specials to begin with...and of those last ditch is about the only fully functional or un-dev touched one. Now we have fellow players out to gank Feign Death???
Who's next???? I normally wouldn't care. I just fly around and play the game when I can. The thought though of one day loggin in and finding yet another problem with my core profession?
Your problem isn't FD,...I don't know what it is,..but I can tell you its more deeply rooted than some other profession's friggin special. I don't care how much you hate the special..find another way to fix your inter-profession problems please!
Welll how about this: Jedi perma-death returned and xp loss removed. Gank squads get disbanded forcing 1 on 1 battles between BH's and Jedii. Put FD into the Master box to keep it out of reach of dabblers. What do you BH's and Jedi think about that?Nerf eyeshot? Nerf Saber blocking ranged? You don't hear people in this forum calling for that,l at least not that I've noticed to the extent I saw it in the other forums. Why? Because we've don't want to break aother profession just so ours works!!
I don't WANT to be pulled out of FD by someones special. I do NOT want Jedi OR Bounty Hunters using it to pi$$ each other off.
I have friends that are both Jedi and BH,...and I know its not everyone of them causing this big stink. You can't judge a barrel of apples by one rotten one. Those of you trying to fix the problem without nerfing FD,..THANK YOU!!!!
Those of you who don't care and just want to win a pi$$ing contest,......you can cram your nerf right up your nose.
Bah..so much for postive posting.....I have infinite patience, I do not have infinite love for people that want to nerf me for their own ends.
Ternque01
Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:41 am
#2
Disable FD during player bounties. Problem solved.
It makes ZERO sense to play dead in front of an assassin. It is their job to check the body.
Last I checked, checking a pulse can be done by a two year old.
SmugglinZane
Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:28 pm
#3
I gave you a 5 star bud... try and balance out the BH or Jedi that was lurking.
Now if only they'd bring back the old system to balance them out!
Zane
Datink_Nieleft
Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:56 pm
#4
Thanks Zane
I know I can always count on the Smuggler community!!
5 Stars for your solidarity
cydonia
Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:20 pm
#5
Datink_Nieleft wrote:
What the heck is going on? Anyone else want to take a chunk out of the Smuggler profession?
Now we have BH's dropping in,..asking about how we will feel when Jedi nerf Feign Death for us.
What they mean is "how we will feel when helpless nubling jedi nerf Fiegn Death for us." They are just having a hard time beating up on the little guys. Notice how they dont say comment on jedi having any other professions scout doc medic or even themselves being cheap and taking advantage of the current problems with def stacking. But then again they arnt too smart.
Odajja
Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:56 pm
#6
cydonia wrote:
Datink_Nieleft wrote:
What the heck is going on? Anyone else want to take a chunk out of the Smuggler profession?
Now we have BH's dropping in,..asking about how we will feel when Jedi nerf Feign Death for us.
What they mean is "how we will feel when helpless nubling jedi nerf Fiegn Death for us." They are just having a hard time beating up on the little guys. Notice how they dont say comment on jedi having any other professions scout doc medic or even themselves being cheap and taking advantage of the current problems with def stacking. But then again they arnt too smart.
Neither Are the Padawans who run all over With the LOOK AT ME Rhobes and sabers out. Then use OUR Fein Death when the BH come to Teach them that Showing off Is Not to brite.
Dont bring your Whine fests to smugglers I dont care about Glowads. Frankly if you really think about it BH are customers wanting our spice and slice. So Who should we support. Jedi Are on the lower end of the scale of economy there !
Message Edited by Odajja on 12-25-2004 09:23 PM
Datink_Nieleft
Sun Dec 26, 2004 1:37 am
#7
So someone wants to play the one-star game? How about posting why you should nerf another profession for the benefit of another? Why should this profession...my profession,..suffer because of problems that go deeper than FD??? How about some responses instead of lurking. Oh. its because you don't have one.
Look at the post above this..look all over the Smuggler community. Nothing but ideas on how NOT to nerf our profession, yet the cry is still there. Mr. One-Star ninja, you can 1 star me from now till the servers shut down..but you can't answer my question.
BaronJuJu
Sun Dec 26, 2004 9:41 am
#8
My vote is to bring back perma death...it was a great idea..meant to keep the jedi in hiding and to make them special. Hell now it rarer to see a Master Ranger out in the open.
Leave FD alone and not to have anything to counter it....what would be the point of having the skill then?
If they do nerf it I say we in no way shape or form get put on to BH terminals, all our skills are about useless now (except LD) and we would have no counter to protect ourselves.
Maybe another idea would be to let BH's have FD if they want to spend the skill pointsbut give Jedi a skill to do the same or something similar. Or maybe better yet, leave it alone let whoever wants the skill points to use it keep it...something better will come along (some new FotM always does) and they will drift away from using it.
My 2 credits on the subject.
TarynGuinn
Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:50 am
#9
Ternque01 wrote:
Disable FD during player bounties. Problem solved.
It makes ZERO sense to play dead in front of an assassin. It is their job to check the body.
Last I checked, checking a pulse can be done by a two year old.
and in some cases, "one in the head, make sure they're dead" policies.
Ternque01
Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:29 am
#10
cydonia wrote:
Datink_Nieleft wrote:
What the heck is going on? Anyone else want to take a chunk out of the Smuggler profession?
Now we have BH's dropping in,..asking about how we will feel when Jedi nerf Feign Death for us.
What they mean is "how we will feel when helpless nubling jedi nerf Fiegn Death for us." They are just having a hard time beating up on the little guys. Notice how they dont say comment on jedi having any other professions scout doc medic or even themselves being cheap and taking advantage of the current problems with def stacking. But then again they arnt too smart.
What you are failing to grasp in this situation is that Feign Death is destroying bounty missions. Don't you get it?
It doesn't matter what damn level a Jedi is at. Ending with a Feign Death, player bounties were never designed to move in that direction.
Spynet Operative: Here you go bounty hunter, the bio signature of this Jedi. Oh.... watch out... they could play dead on you...
Bounty Hunter : I understand the risks to me, I just want my cut.
*BH leaves*
Spynet Operative: It kills me that highly trained assassins don't even know how to check a f'ing pulse. It would take five seconds to do. Hell,
I bet it would be a good idea to put two in the head and two in the chest just to be sure.... I guess these technical colleges just
aren't putting out quality hunters anymore... Damn morons! Oh, well... time for lunch. I think my wife packed some chocolate
gnort waffers, yummy!
Why in the hell don't you get that? YOU CANNOT PLAY DEAD IN FRONT OF A TRAINED ASSASSIN. PERIOD. NADA MUCHO. TENGO DOS GATOS EN MIS PANTALONES!!!!!
IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!! NO.... SENSE.... NO SENSE... NO SENSE. HELL, CHEWBACCA LIVING ON ENDOR WITH THREE FOOT TALL EWOKS MAKES MORE SENSE THAN THE GARBAGE I SEE FROM JEDI TRYING TO JUSTIFY FEIGN DEATH.
DISABLE IT DURING PLAYER BOUNTIES. LEAVE IT ALONE OTHERWISE. *EATS A CHOCOLATE GNORT WAFFER*
WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY?????
C-H-U-D
Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:44 am
#11
although the idea of disabling FD in a jedi/BH mission situation is a good idea, it's unlikely at best for that to happen. simply due to coding, i'd love to see them doing that without borking something else. but at least it's a constructive idea. gets the ball rolling. maybe keeping the +to FD mods where they are in the skill lines, but bump the skill itself to master, or tweak the skill mods so it randomly fails 50% of the time untill you hit +70. a trained assassin shouldn't exactly need to check a pulse though... personally i'd just give 'em one in the head to make sure, then pop one in the heart for good measure, lol
Message Edited by C-H-U-D on 12-27-2004 04:46 AM
SmugglinZane
Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:51 am
#12
C-H-U-D wrote:
although the idea of disabling FD in a jedi/BH mission situation is a good idea, it's unlikely at best for that to happen. simply due to coding, i'd love to see them doing that without borking something else. but at least it's a constructive idea. gets the ball rolling. maybe keeping the +to FD mods where they are in the skill lines, but bump the skill itself to master, or tweak the skill mods so it randomly fails 50% of the time untill you hit +70. a trained assassin shouldn't exactly need to check a pulse though... personally i'd just give 'em one in the head to make sure, then pop one in the heart for good measure, lol
Message Edited by C-H-U-D on 12-27-2004 04:46 AM
If you move it to Master, then mods don't even matter. There's not another skill like that out there, so you're still talking about borking one profession's skill due to the dabblers of another profession. IF they choose to move it, then let me tell you it better be damn near automatic, without the ability to attack me once I'min FD, and no BS ways of pulling me out of it. Simply put, the best ways to make this a Smuggler skill, if this is what everyone agrees it should be, needs to come from the Smugglers.
riotcontrol
Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:05 am
#13
Ternque01 wrote:Why in the hell don't you get that? YOU CANNOT PLAY DEAD IN FRONT OF A TRAINED ASSASSIN. PERIOD. NADA MUCHO. TENGO DOS GATOS EN MIS PANTALONES!!!!!
No wonder you're writing in caps.
But seriously, I don't really support FD in PvP in its current incarnation but I think it's perfectly viable in PvE (just rolling over and playing dead in front of a sharnaff).
Moving it to Master wouldn't work in case of possible Smuggler/player bounties, so that's out of the question as a 'solution'. So the only two reasonable things would be: a) to leave current FD as a PvE skill, and make a new 'FD' for PvP which would be a more active escape skill as described in a few Caylin's posts, or b) leave current FD as a PvE/PvP skill and just allow hunters with a current bounty mission on the person in question to deliver a deathblow, either through a new /deathblowfeignedperson command or through a check when you perform the standard /deathblow.
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