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Thread: Jedi, Bounty Hunters,..anyone else????
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SmugglinZane
Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:41 am
#14
So um... why don't we just get a FD spice at Master, with a Master Smuggler Cert, that has the ability to "make the user appear dead"? Don't know why I haven't suggested this yet, but it would work for PvP. It makes sense (to me), and it would solve the problem of FD in Pve/PvP. The only glitch I can see is when someone is attacked by another player while engaged in PvE, but that could be solved by a Smuggler just choosing to use the spice instead of the basic FD.
Zane
Bucke-Thead
Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:48 pm
#15
I have posted this in BH forum as well, but the simple solution is to leave FD working exactly as intended. If used on a player bounty, then as far as the hunter AND HIS EMPLOYERS are concerned, the bounty is collected. BH gets mission reward, Jedi gets XP loss. However, FD is still useful for Jedi as they will not incurr the cloning penalty. This is great for PvE and for BH missions when there is no doc around to rez.
Smuggler happy, BH happy, and Jedi can whine all they want for all I care.
C-H-U-D
Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:41 pm
#16
SmugglinZane wrote:
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If you move it to Master, then mods don't even matter. There's not another skill like that out there, so you're still talking about borking one profession's skill due to the dabblers of another profession. IF they choose to move it, then let me tell you it better be damn near automatic, without the ability to attack me once I'min FD, and no BS ways of pulling me out of it. Simply put, the best ways to make this a Smuggler skill, if this is what everyone agrees it should be, needs to come from the Smugglers.
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it does need to come from the Smugglers...and uhhh, yeah... mastered smuggler back in august 2003. but anyhow, just tossing out ideas.
Karbal
Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:14 pm
#17
Bounty Hunter here. I don't have a problem with FD at all as it is. If my target goes FD - then that's cool
- the mission will still be there. I just make sure to totally black bar 'em before I move on. Sooner or later
I'm gonna get the jump on him and take him out with a high powered bomb droid if need be. I veiw it as
a challenge as a hunter .. to catch 'em with their pants down and get the insta incap .. or just keep on black
barring.
On another note,smuggler's specials DO rock the house!! Picked up the "All star pistols" template and
have been loving it ever since. Last Ditch with a hard hitting DE10 is a total Jedi killer. Call me a dabbler
if you like .. I just couldn't resist that dirty fighting line .. and to date I have never used FD .. even if the Jedi
is waxing my as5.
Karbal
Jedi Hunter
riotcontrol
Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:22 pm
#18
Karbal wrote:Bounty Hunter here. I don't have a problem with FD at all as it is. If my target goes FD - then that's cool- the mission will still be there. I just make sure to totally black bar 'em before I move on. Sooner or laterI'm gonna get the jump on him and take him out with a high powered bomb droid if need be. I veiw it asa challenge as a hunter .. to catch 'em with their pants down and get the insta incap .. or just keep on black
The issue isn't if you can or can not get around it using unrealistic game mechanics like black-barring and waiting until your mark (for which you clearly know is alive) gets up from an 'invulnerability' state. You can get around almost anything, but the thing is - you shouldn't have to. There should be a realistic system in place. Game mechanics are not supposed to be obstacles we must work around, they are supposed to be an invisible set of rules governing an immersive game world.
Karbal
Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:42 pm
#19
Yeah .. I can certainly see your point. The "realism" behind the move itself. I personally think that itis unfair that a smugglercan useFD in both PVP and PVE and the Riflemancan't use conceal shot in PVP .. or that a Ranger can't use his camo abilities in PVP .. or the Scout's masked scent dosn't work in PVP vs. a Creature Handlers pets. The logic would be that FD should only be a PVE option .. like the other professions mentioned .. but again this is just my opinion.
My response was to the original poster that not all of us BH's are crying nerf. I can live with it .. or without it.
Karbal
Jedi Hunter
Karamak
Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:48 am
#20
Here is a random thought. Leave FD right as it is, but give the Master Smuggler the ability to break FD on a person who isn't a master. It would be kinda like the Master Smugglers know every FD trick in the book, and if someone around them who is FD doesn't have Master then the M.Smuggler knows the trick and can alright buddy, enough just laying there, I can see you are not dead. Heck, I wouldn'teven charge the BH to sit in Coronet and break FD on a Jedi. I mightsend a tell to the Jedi asking for 100k of so, not to /evilgrin.
This skill wouldNOT get you into combat with the FD Jedi or BH.
If we did this right the Jedi's and BHs would find that FD belongs to the Smuggler community and to stop messing with our profession, or it will be very expensive for them
Dire Cloudwalker (kettemoor)
And the prior note about Master Rangers it is true, I have a Ranger in training on Sunrunner, was trying to get trained, saw 5 jedis in coronet, not one ranger
tibarraji
Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:35 am
#21
hmmm... well.. i ahve been away for a while... well. away from this forum anyways... i finally had to drop master smuggler after 10 months.. since i unlocked my jedi about 4 weeks ago... the skill points have been dwindling away... to set the record straight... at least for this former master smuggler/padawan... my first BH visit was while i still had master.. and i am proud to say i took my beating like a man.. well... sorta... point is.. i didnt FD...
dirtyfighting is going to be the last branch i drop from smuggler, since FD is a wonderful thing while grinding.. hell.. it was a great thing when i was grinding TKM. it has allowed me to be a bit more aggresive in what type of missions i take... as i am sure most of you are well aware. i just wanted to say that i having been fighting the good fight on behalf of smugglers... as some of you have. i do my best to set the record straight about FD.. which seems to be the Real FOTM... my hats off to all of you that continue with it.. i just couldnt bare to be let down, yet again, by the developers.
/deepbow to the smuggler community
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