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Thread: Xtra! Xtra! Read all about it! Jedi Use FD in PvP again!
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Message Edited by HOTDOG on 05-06-2005 07:50 PM
Grand. I can see it now:
Update: xx/xx/05
* Players who Feign Death will now be attackable during PvP and PvE combat.
HOTDOG wrote:Yup. It's happening again.It sounds like now, once a Jedi figures out a BH is close, they allow a MoB to smack them into feign and thus the BH cannot begin to attack them.They are bickering back and forth-Someone EVEN said that BHs will REALLY complain when they have to face a smuggler who can "Last Ditch" one shot them.I really don't hope this is going where I THINK this is going...
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Err.... what exactly was wrong with the last "working in PvE, not working in PvP" version of FD?
* Players who Feign Death will now be attackable during PvP and PvE combat.
* Last Ditch now has _no_ damage output whatsoever
* Concussion Shot has no "rooting" anymore
* Saber Block up to 99%
* Jedi get 10k Health
kidding. Anyway, can I just be the first to say FÛCKING A!
Why? why can't you people just leave FD alone? We don't abuse it! We cherish it for those rare instances where it gains us strategic advantage!
Can't you incorporate it to the bounty TEF system, so that BHs can initiate combat with their mark NO MATTER WHAT? That'd work, you know it would! DON'T HIT US WITH THE DAMMED BAT AGAIN!
lol
I "think" that right now, at Master Smuggler, it have about a 40% success rate, if that so, that mean someone dabbling Dirty Fighting to grab it would have a very low success rate anyway no? And even us, at 40%, it is not an invulnerability move certainly. Just that we can't get griefed anymore if it DO work. That's what I think , but then again I am hearing a lot of contradiction about how FD really do work right now, PvP wise.
Any other Smuggler on Chilly that would be willing to test things out with me? I am even willing to be the one that get killed, I do not care that much for PvP rating.
Or if some really tested it out in PvP, let's hear about it! Let's dispell misconceptions at least, that can't hurt.
Honestly dont blame novice jedi for using anything they have to stay alive. Granted this is a smuggler skill, but novice jedi cant always stand up to a BH or group of them. No different than going into a home, logging off, or using cloak.
Its the difference between using FD and losing up to 200-500k+ jedi xp at 1 time. Which can take up to a week to make and even longer for low level jedi.
The BH's use whatever they can to kill the jedi, a jedi should be able to use any means to stay alive.
Yes im a jedi, yes i was a master smuggler ( once for imps and once for rebs), nonever had to use FD against a BH.
But dont think its right to attack jedi's who dabble for the best way to stay alive. They earned that right when it takes 30million xp to fill out a template and get hunted non-stop once getting on the terminals. And since CU its much harder to get xp solo. Yes i know, its their choice. But sometimes its mpossible to be vis free, and eventualy you will get on the terms.
And no im not trolling. Thinking about going back to smuggler to help with the WS business. Like to read and see whats up in my 2nd favorite profession 
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
Simple solutions, allow combat to start over once the Bounty Hunter arrives, or give Bounty Hunters an /inspectcorpse command, which would allow them to see if the corpse is really dead or someone who's feigning.
QFE
Stop trying to change Smuggler. Come up with a solution to mitigate the BH vs Jedi whine-fest.
KRONOS1974 wrote:Honestly dont blame novice jedi for using anything they have to stay alive. Granted this is a smuggler skill, but novice jedi cant always stand up to a BH or group of them. No different than going into a home, logging off, or using cloak.
Its the difference between using FD and losing up to 200-500k+ jedi xp at 1 time. Which can take up to a week to make and even longer for low level jedi.
The BH's use whatever they can to kill the jedi, a jedi should be able to use any means to stay alive.
Yes im a jedi, yes i was a master smuggler ( once for imps and once for rebs), no never had to use FD against a BH.
But dont think its right to attack jedi's who dabble for the best way to stay alive. They earned that right when it takes 30million xp to fill out a template and get hunted non-stop once getting on the terminals. And since CU its much harder to get xp solo. Yes i know, its their choice. But sometimes its mpossible to be vis free, and eventualy you will get on the terms.
And no im not trolling. Thinking about going back to smuggler to help with the WS business. Like to read and see whats up in my 2nd favorite profession
I may be wrong, but I think that the issue is that the Jedi are using FD during a fight with a MOB in order to go into a feign state before the BH even initiates combat, thus making it impossible for the BH to engage their mark. That really does look like they're abusing a game mechanic - I really don't think that it was meant to work that way.
If, on the other hand, they're using FD in battle with a BH and it they succesfully feign (a low chance unless they're a master) then all's fair. As has been said, they'll have a minor chance of getting it to work and it would probably make more sense for them to pick up concussion shot and use that to escape.
If they are abusing a system, though, I really don't care how much XP they have to lose. There are plenty of players who have been playing for over a year and who have never used any (of the many, at times) exploits to get ahead.