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Thread: The Devs have been here for the past few days, so I thought I'd make a suggestion to them.
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maxtheusher
Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:49 pm
#1
Okay, now I know you guys have people to think about things like this for you and don't need me giving my suggestions but here it is anyway.
Just give the Smuggler Community ONE single nugget of info about our future. It doesn't have to be major, or even something that you're definitively planning on putting into the game. Just one single solitary thought would both assuage some of our fears/worries, as well as give us something to actively discuss amongst ourselves, rather then sit here and fester into a roiling hostile mass. It's politics at it's best.
Just give the Smuggler Community ONE single nugget of info about our future. It doesn't have to be major, or even something that you're definitively planning on putting into the game. Just one single solitary thought would both assuage some of our fears/worries, as well as give us something to actively discuss amongst ourselves, rather then sit here and fester into a roiling hostile mass. It's politics at it's best.
Tiggs
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:02 pm
#2
maxtheusher wrote:
Okay, now I know you guys have people to think about things like this for you and don't need me giving my suggestions but here it is anyway.
Just give the Smuggler Community ONE single nugget of info about our future. It doesn't have to be major, or even something that you're definitively planning on putting into the game. Just one single solitary thought would both assuage some of our fears/worries, as well as give us something to actively discuss amongst ourselves, rather then sit here and fester into a roiling hostile mass. It's politics at it's best.
Hrm... One nugget of info *thinks harder* What about the fact that regardless of how much you show your teeth at me and growl I will still <3 you all =)
Seriously now, all I can really say is that you will get combat changes with the Combat Upgrade, we totally hear you on the slicing auto-pull issue and the other issues that the Correspondent sends in each month. Everything takes time, we all know you have been waiting a long time but good things are going to come.
Korrack
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:08 pm
#3
Tiggs wrote:
maxtheusher wrote:
Okay, now I know you guys have people to think about things like this for you and don't need me giving my suggestions but here it is anyway.
Just give the Smuggler Community ONE single nugget of info about our future. It doesn't have to be major, or even something that you're definitively planning on putting into the game. Just one single solitary thought would both assuage some of our fears/worries, as well as give us something to actively discuss amongst ourselves, rather then sit here and fester into a roiling hostile mass. It's politics at it's best.
Hrm... One nugget of info *thinks harder* What about the fact that regardless of how much you show your teeth at me and growl I will still <3 you all =)
Seriously now, all I can really say is that you will get combat changes with the Combat Upgrade, we totally hear you on the slicing auto-pull issue and the other issues that the Correspondent sends in each month. Everything takes time, we all know you have been waiting a long time but good things are going to come.
You must be slamming your head against the wall Tiggs. People constantly being cynical and not believing you. Well, I hope we can believe you, that good things will come, that the DEVs care about the autopull issue, because in the past, even a simple statement like you just made has been made numerous times, only to blow up followed by nothing or a new bug introduced.
Like I said, I hope the players can believe you, and you will earn their trust with the things you say. Communication is the key to happy players. You don't have to fix everything today, just be honest and don't tell people it will be alright if it's not going to be. And if you say something is going to happen, God help you if it doesn't 
Message Edited by Korrack on 12-02-2004 04:11 PM
TolisDarkstar
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:09 pm
#4
Lol, you've gotta be kidding me Tiggs... here, let me forward you to a post the DEV's and forum advisors really need to read...
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983
Now, after reading that, tell me any of us believe anything you say?
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983
Now, after reading that, tell me any of us believe anything you say?
kgmkiorys
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:09 pm
#5
Korrack wrote:
You must be slamming your head against the wall Tiggs. People constantly being cynical and not believing you. Well, I hope we can believe you, that good things will come, that the DEVs care about the autopull issue, because in the past, even a simple statement like you just made has been made numerous times, only to blow up followed by nothing or a new bug introduced.
Like I said, I hope the players can believe you, and you will earn their trust with the things you say. Communication is the key to happy players. You don't have to fix everything today, just be honest and don't tell people it will be alright if it's not going to be. And if you say something is going to happen, God help you if it doesn't
what he said.
Edited because Korrack edited too, but i still fully agree
Message Edited by kgmkiorys on 12-02-200410:20 PM
Message Edited by kgmkiorys on 12-02-2004 10:20 PM
Korrack
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:11 pm
#6
I editted for increased content and better spelling
kgmkiorys wrote:
what he said.
maxtheusher
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:20 pm
#7
Tiggs wrote:
maxtheusher wrote:
Okay, now I know you guys have people to think about things like this for you and don't need me giving my suggestions but here it is anyway.
Just give the Smuggler Community ONE single nugget of info about our future. It doesn't have to be major, or even something that you're definitively planning on putting into the game. Just one single solitary thought would both assuage some of our fears/worries, as well as give us something to actively discuss amongst ourselves, rather then sit here and fester into a roiling hostile mass. It's politics at it's best.Hrm... One nugget of info *thinks harder* What about the fact that regardless of how much you show your teeth at me and growl I will still <3 you all =)
Seriously now, all I can really say is that you will get combat changes with the Combat Upgrade, we totally hear you on the slicing auto-pull issue and the other issues that the Correspondent sends in each month. Everything takes time, we all know you have been waiting a long time but good things are going to come.
Thanks
That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Ignore any of the nay-sayers that replied to you. That is more info DIRECTLY from a dev than we've received in a long time and it feels good to hear that you are aware of some of our concerns.Again, thank you
Geevo
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:25 pm
#8
The Devs are really in a catch-22.
They can tell us thoughts or ideas that will most likely change (and get the screams of more lies) ... or they can stay quiet and get the screams for not communicating.
I personally would be happier with a simple post (keep it stickied):
Smuggler Revamp:
Best Case: (best case date...what we are shooting for)
Worst Case: (no later than...COMMITMENT...even if it 2007)
Most Likely: (where we really think it will happen)
Worst Case: (no later than...COMMITMENT...even if it 2007)
Most Likely: (where we really think it will happen)
And update it WHENEVER IT CHANGES... if it changes by a day better, update...day later, update...just keep the communication.
They can even break it down more to include:
-expect to assign resources
-expect to give it 100% resources
-expect to test
Just give us info ...but give yourselves wiggle room too
...but give yourselves wiggle room too
Korrack
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:37 pm
#9
Geevo wrote:
The Devs are really in a catch-22.
They can tell us thoughts or ideas that will most likely change (and get the screams of more lies) ... or they can stay quiet and get the screams for not communicating.
I personally would be happier with a simple post (keep it stickied):
Smuggler Revamp:
Best Case: (best case date...what we are shooting for)
Worst Case: (no later than...COMMITMENT...even if it 2007)
Most Likely: (where we really think it will happen)
And update it WHENEVER IT CHANGES... if it changes by a day better, update...day later, update...just keep the communication.
They can even break it down more to include:
-expect to assign resources
-expect to give it 100% resources
-expect to test
Just give us info
That was my thought. Bad news is better than no news, cos at least it's truthful.
kgmkiorys
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:44 pm
#10
well, at the moment i really don't know where to stand, that's maybe the time for another document we could work on, just to keep us busy and peaceful, i really don't know.
I've come to the point that i don't expect the revamp to ahhappen, just to have our existing simili-skills working well and useful...
What brings me some worryed thoughts is that when the combat upgrade is done, there will be too short a time before the revamp (if i consider the revamp is the first to come after the CU) and we may have a 3/4 brand new profession that we won't perfectly know. That may be hard to provide docs, ideas, raise issues, run tests... The more i think about it, the more i believe we need some info on what's going on the CU, the sooner the better.
Weren't some Vision documents supposed to be published? We still don't know what is the supposed role of a smuggler in the game, and it somewhat troubles me. I guess that's those kind of communication i'm willing to see.
WesBelden
Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:49 pm
#11
TolisDarkstar wrote:
Lol, you've gotta be kidding me Tiggs... here, let me forward you to a post the DEV's and forum advisors really need to read...
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983
Now, after reading that, tell me any of us believe anything you say?
I'm sure Tiggs is well aware of what's gone on in the past, as no doubt 99.9% of the people that frequent this board do also. It's something that those of us that've been around for a while need no reminding of. It's also something that has nothing to do with Tiggs; Indeed, alarge part of what's there took place well before Tiggs even began working for SOE.
Further more, Tiggs, while she may not have posted here much, has been nothing but straight with the Smuggler community. While I still feel remorse over the past, there is no reason to bring it up in reference to Tiggs, nor indeed (I hope) in future when developers discuss what's to go into the game. Given their stance on only talking about what's next there will be no more empty promises, which was the main source of contention and grief.
We've just managed to get over the fact that a Dev plays this profession and wants to post in this forum as just a player; Most have accepted that and rightly so. Can you not extend the same curtesy towards another Dev, one who also has little to no influence over the development and design process?
TolisDarkstar
Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:27 pm
#12
WesBelden wrote:
TolisDarkstar wrote:
Lol, you've gotta be kidding me Tiggs... here, let me forward you to a post the DEV's and forum advisors really need to read...
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=smuggler&message.id=81983
Now, after reading that, tell me any of us believe anything you say?I'm sure Tiggs is well aware of what's gone on in the past, as no doubt 99.9% of the people that frequent this board do also. It's something that those of us that've been around for a while need no reminding of. It's also something that has nothing to do with Tiggs; Indeed, a large part of what's there took place well before Tiggs even began working for SOE.Further more, Tiggs, while she may not have posted here much, has been nothing but straight with the Smuggler community. While I still feel remorse over the past, there is no reason to bring it up in reference to Tiggs, nor indeed (I hope) in future when developers discuss what's to go into the game. Given their stance on only talking about what's next there will be no more empty promises, which was the main source of contention and grief.We've just managed to get over the fact that a Dev plays this profession and wants to post in this forum as just a player; Most have accepted that and rightly so. Can you not extend the same curtesy towards another Dev, one who also has little to no influence over the development and design process?
While true, it may be the case that much of the falsehoods and nerfs did happen before Tiggs began working for SOE that does not change the fact that some has happened since then. (Auto-pulling a good example) And has anything been done for the smuggler community since she began? No, thus I have reasonable cause for anamosity towards her or any other member of SOE, particularly the Development team, for 6 months I've read the forums and barely posted, but now, I have very little time to play and enjoy the game, now I have even less of the game to enjoy. I love the smuggler profession, and I enjoy the company my ingame friends have given me since I began. But after so long of being lied to about our profession this game is beginning to be more annoying than the counter-balance the good things give it. Now groups have been nerfed, warcry is nerfed, soon combat will be nerfed as well as armor... And after all this, we've been told that we will recieve a glorious revamp nearly 2 years in the making. Ok, maybe you can believe that, I've become old and synical myself.
maxtheusher
Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:37 pm
#13
Stop arguing and thank Tiggs for bothering to come here and reassure us. That's more than anyone's done in a while.
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