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zorkain

Mon May 10, 2004 4:18 am

Unarmed combat should not be in SWG, and if it is, it should do considerable less damage than anyone who uses a weapon. Smugglers are supposed to be good with pistols, not unarmed BS. It makes no sense at all for someone to do as much or more damage without a weapon than someone who uses one. The smuggler revamp should take away unarmed, not add new unarmed skills. Unarmed takes away from the smugglers profession not to mention that it takes away from the whole star wars feel. Teras Kasi, Fencer, Pikeman, Swordsman, and Creature Handler, do not belong in Star Wars, also they could take out the whole brawler starting profession, in my opinion.They all ruin the whole Star Wars atmosphere. Lets hope that smugglers dont join that list when they do the revamp. I know that they will not remove these professions, but please whatever you do, dont add more unarmed crap to smugglers, it will ruin this profession. If anything give us back the business skills, like it was supposed to be, That makes a hell of a lot more sense than unarmed.

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Bossov

Mon May 10, 2004 4:35 am

#2

There's plenty of examples of unarmed and melee fighting in the SW movies and in the EU. To not have them at all would seem very un-Star Warsy. The biggest thing in the game that ruins the Star Wars atmosphere are people talking OOC all the time and seeing Jedi run around like it's no big deal. Then they have tags up telling everyone they are Jedi.

Also, about the melee weapons... Many of the melee weapons, you may have noticed, are called vibro-somethings. This is the description of a vibroblade according the the third edition of A Guide To The Star Wars Universe....

" Vibroblade: This ultrasonic-vibration weapon is a powered knife or dagger with a reverberating blade edge that produces great cutting power with only the slightest touch. " The description of a vibro-ax is almost identical except it mentions that the ultrasonic generator is located in the ax handle. As a TK master, I really feel like I'm beating down a Tusken Warlord without my knucks, but when I use my vibroknucks I start doing some serious damage.

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CudaScout

Mon May 10, 2004 4:43 am

#3

What was that Charlton Heston said?

Out of my cold dead hands.

KALEE

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Daermoth

Mon May 10, 2004 4:44 am

#4

Smuggler = Cantina brawls = bar fights = fists. Makes as much sense as anything else to me, seein as im a RL pistol carrying bouncer *grin*

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korvass

Mon May 10, 2004 4:50 am

#5

If there was no unarmed combat, just how would Wookiee's 'rip arms out of people's sockets'? And how would Gamorreans wield their big big battle-axes???

You're entitled to your opinion of course, even if you are confused

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zorkain

Mon May 10, 2004 4:51 am

#6

Like I said, if unarmed has to be in the game, it shouldnt do nearly as much damage as anyone who uses a weapon, the unarmed damage is just plain stupid. I also never seen anyone fighting with swords or unarmed in the movies, nothing that really mattered anyway. I figure alot of people wont like what ive said, but face it, anything relating to brawling does not belong in this game. Most of you are only defending it cause thats part of what you do. Its lame.

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RylanStorm

Mon May 10, 2004 5:04 am

#7

Well as much as I dislike melee combat in Star Wars Galaxies there is ample justification for it. From Imperial Guards in Palpatines chamber carrying pikes, to Gaffi sticks, ( not to be confused with Gadaffi sticks, the popular weapon of choice on the planet Libya ) right through to the trusty old lightsaber.

The problem is Unarmed combat in itself. On that point I have to agree that the amount of damage done unarmed at higher levels is disproportionate to that of those bearing weapons.

A vibro-knuckler should be fairly damaging but no more so then a blaster shot, but even unarmed the damage in the TK profession is a little askew and with the GCW forum full of "NERF TKA AND NERF CM" you can be sure those are the two professions coming under fire along with Riflemen in the upcoming combat balance.

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Daermoth

Mon May 10, 2004 5:05 am

#8

You've obviously never been beaten up. A single punch to the head or chest in RL can kill someone. I accidentally stopped a guys heart back in highschool when i jokingly jabbed him in the chest (hes ok). A skilled barehanded fighter can destroy a human in no time. Up close and personal unarmed fighting damage is definitely in balance with the ranged damage in game. We may not be able to blow a hole through someones head, but we can definitely crack skulls and break arms n legs with the best of em.

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zorkain

Mon May 10, 2004 5:21 am

#9

Your right, ive never been beaten up, I'm usually on the giving end of that. I do know that people can be killed from unarmed blows or a skull can be cracked, but you tell me what martial arts master has against someone with a gun? NONE, unless the person with the gun is an idiot and lets the guys get right up on him, anyway I'm taking the guy with the gun anytime, anywhere. unarmed = to much damage, and bad for the smuggler profession. The only people who want it for smugglers is the ones who have the lame TK profession to go along with it.

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RylanStorm

Mon May 10, 2004 5:28 am

#10

You've obviously never been beaten up.

Wrong. I've studied martial arts since my father sent me to a Tae-Kwon-Do class when I was 6 years old andI've always been mindful that there are people out there that are better then me.As much as I'm aware of what a skilled fighter can do to a human being I'm always constantly amazed by what the human body can withstand including being hit by a car or truck, repeatedly being stabbed. For flesh and bone we can be incredibly strong.

A single punch to the head or chest in RL can kill someone.

Yes, you're absoloutley right that these things can kill someone. What you neglect to mention is that untreated a shot to the head or chest will always kill someone. Many times a shot will kill someone outright. Whilst ERs all over the world are getting better even they acknowledge there is nothing you can do for the person who dies before he hits the floor. The same cannot be said of unarmed combat.

Up close and personal unarmed fighting damage is definitely in balance with the ranged damage in game. We may not be able to blow a hole through someones head, but we can definitely crack skulls and break arms n legs with the best of em.

You're just plain joking now I'm convinced.

Unarmed damage at TK Master will frequently be in excess of pistol and carbine fire. You might accidentally be able to accidentally stop a guys heart but it's a huge stretch to say you could outdamage a gun against a person wearing composite body armour.

As it is, what do you think is most damaging? Blowing a hole in someone's head or breaking arms and legs. Excluding the possibility of breaking the base of the skull, which is very hard to do, but almost always fatal, cracking someone's skull is something that many people never even know happened.

Pure unarmed, no vk, shouldn't come anywhere near close to the damage of any weapon in the game.

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CudaScout

Mon May 10, 2004 5:41 am

#11

Just a small question for you zorkain. What skills do you have anyway? I just want to visiualize things from your perspective before I pass judgement.

By skills I mean: Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer, etc

And are you stating this out of pure hatred for the concept or are you influenced by a previous exp. ie getting your ass handed to you by a tka master?

KALEE

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Daermoth

Mon May 10, 2004 6:14 am

#12

/Grin

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RylanStorm

Mon May 10, 2004 6:20 am

#13

So lets just say he's motivated by having been beat in the past by a TKM.

Does it detract from the argument that unarmed damage is askew, any more then it detracts from the argument of a victim of crime for harsher punishments?

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