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Thread: Smuggler/Pistoleer/TK vs Smuggler/Pistols/BH
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fortuneseeker
Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:17 pm
#1
Hi there!
I have just got Master Smuggler *pats self on back* and am torn between 2 of the most common templates - the triple master of smuggler, pistoleer and teras kasi or the master smuggler, BH pistol skills and some pistoleer.
Just wondered on peoples thoughts that have actually used those templates.
Thanks
01201986
Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:23 pm
#2
I had the traditional triple master until i dropped some pistoleer to pick up some scout. Honestly at this point, smuggler is oviously a broken proff and pistoleer is too. half of the specials work incorrectly or dont work at all. but tka is a great proff, especially for PvE and its also a very good proff for PvP. in most cases, if u can manage to knockdown your opponent, the fight is essentially over, its very difficult to catch ranged opponents tho. It really is a good all-around template. and I liked it a lot. The lack of terrain negotiation was killing me tho 
WillburWright
Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:59 pm
#3
Going triplemaster here. Defenses will be way better on the TM (trip. master) side. YOu won't be using your pistols much, until pistoleer is revamped, though. M Smuggler, BH Pistols IV, and Pistoleer 0/0/4/3 is the way to go with BH pistols. Very powerful at range, but weak at defense. Eyeshot will be your PvP friend, and stacking bleeds on Jantas and spamming last ditch at the speed cap is great, too.
zolari
Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:11 pm
#4
go for the bh smuggler pistoleer and novice comando
just use patience and learn the pistol specials and when to use. you are suprisingly a very very high damage dealer in pvp and can solo just about anything with patience in pve. the vast amount of damage types and tactics at hand can be used extremely effectivley.
lag pistols can really mess things up(novice comando's launcher pitol firing either fan shot or last ditch)
last ditch or eye shot with geo in pvp
toro shot and FD in pve to solo anything(i did super battle droid once bc it was kill or die...not saying its quick or effective but it works)
with triple master i find without the BH specials pistoleer is sorly gimped and youll be tkm with some extra skills basically.
CudaScout
Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:30 pm
#5
Bahhhhhhhhh, triple master is the way to go bro. I am Master smuggler, master pistoleer, and master TKA. Keep in mind that the combat revamp is coming as well as the smuggler revamp. I am here to say that I have been a triple master for a long time and I can't complain. I have tried other templates with smuggler and by far the TKA,Smuggler, Pistoleer is the best, (at least in my eyes). When the revamps come you will see more opps. for smugglers with the triple master. Hell boy if your gonna decide to be a man at least pick something that will keep you standing upright.
xTekx
Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:26 am
#6
i just decided to go triple master. I've been Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer for a long time now. But had different third proffs for a while. I was trying to figure out what I could use that would help me in PvP and went MS/MP/Fencer 4413(should of gone 4440 or 4431). I was stacked really well on defense, but still didn't help much because I couldn't dish out enough damage to win. So I opted to go triple master. So far i'm liking it. Haven't completed TK yet, but i'm loving it so far. just my 2 cents.
rogue_eight
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:20 am
#7
I tried the Bounty Hunter/pistoleer thing, but I really didn't like the scatter pistol for my style of play (duck and cover ) and it just took too many skill points to justify the single useful pistol skill tree in BH.
Considering you already have the TK unarmed prerequiste to get Smuggler in the first place, I dropped the BH requirements, went Master pistoleer and I'm starting out on TKM.
Course, I have to master freelance pilot first, as well.
Hope that helps.
) and it just took too many skill points to justify the single useful pistol skill tree in BH.Considering you already have the TK unarmed prerequiste to get Smuggler in the first place, I dropped the BH requirements, went Master pistoleer and I'm starting out on TKM.
Course, I have to master freelance pilot first, as well.
Hope that helps.
imodi
Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:27 am
#8
OK, my pistoleer experienced is limited (only at 0/0/4/4) but i have been TKM for 8 months now.
TKM have many features that make it a very worthwhile use of skill points. meditate just rocks, and at master the amount and speed of damage you can dish out is devastating. defences are good, and you can PvE more efficiently than other professions.
Pistols as most know has many many broken specials, but you have access to many types of attack, energy stun and acid being the most useful. in addition the bonuses to speed etc will help the pistol skills on the smuggler tree. Also means you can do damage to all mobs!
anyway i'm working to the triple master, yes i have had to drop medic, but i think the gains far out weigh the losses.
Just my thoughts. TKM owns PvE, and post CU pistoleer will work the way it is supposed to.
Optimistically smiling as always.
imodi
fortuneseeker
Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:35 am
#9
Thanks for all your comments they are really appreciated.
I'm gonna roleplay smuggler from now on and I think the template I will go for is the triple master and hope both smuggler and pistoleer come up trumps after their various revamps
GuntherSlag
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:33 pm
#10
I've tried both and have found I really enjoy having BH pistols/novice Commando and a bit of Pistoleer. As a triple master I found I used TK almost exclusively because..well duh. Unless something had stupid kinetic resists the damage you can do as a TKM is just nuts. But it didn't feel right for a shady scoundrel type.
As a Smuggler I find I have a ton more fun...and that is the point of this game...using pistols in all their varying types. I'd rather be less uber and have fun then be able to kill most things in the game solo. The speed and accuracy you get in BH pistols makes Last Ditch an absolute killer. Coupled with Eyeshot and Torsoshot and you've got much more effective pistol skills than with Pistoleer in my opinion. Nice terrain negotiation and maskscent from Scout is helpful too.
I really miss Meditate, but I feel so much more like a Smuggler with my pistol hidden under the table rather than a vibroknuckler.
As a Smuggler I find I have a ton more fun...and that is the point of this game...using pistols in all their varying types. I'd rather be less uber and have fun then be able to kill most things in the game solo. The speed and accuracy you get in BH pistols makes Last Ditch an absolute killer. Coupled with Eyeshot and Torsoshot and you've got much more effective pistol skills than with Pistoleer in my opinion. Nice terrain negotiation and maskscent from Scout is helpful too.
I really miss Meditate, but I feel so much more like a Smuggler with my pistol hidden under the table rather than a vibroknuckler.
Ternque01
Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:39 pm
#11
GuntherSlag wrote:
I've tried both and have found I really enjoy having BH pistols/novice Commando and a bit of Pistoleer. As a triple master I found I used TK almost exclusively because..well duh. Unless something had stupid kinetic resists the damage you can do as a TKM is just nuts. But it didn't feel right for a shady scoundrel type.
As a Smuggler I find I have a ton more fun...and that is the point of this game...using pistols in all their varying types. I'd rather be less uber and have fun then be able to kill most things in the game solo. The speed and accuracy you get in BH pistols makes Last Ditch an absolute killer. Coupled with Eyeshot and Torsoshot and you've got much more effective pistol skills than with Pistoleer in my opinion. Nice terrain negotiation and maskscent from Scout is helpful too.
I really miss Meditate, but I feel so much more like a Smuggler with my pistol hidden under the table rather than a vibroknuckler.
That bothered me when I was a triple master. I couldn't stand being a kung fu smuggler.. felt like I was in a Jackie Chan movie or something (not that there is anything bad with Jackie Chan movies).
WillburWright
Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:17 pm
#12
GuntherSlag wrote:
I've tried both and have found I really enjoy having BH pistols/novice Commando and a bit of Pistoleer. As a triple master I found I used TK almost exclusively because..well duh. Unless something had stupid kinetic resists the damage you can do as a TKM is just nuts. But it didn't feel right for a shady scoundrel type.
As a Smuggler I find I have a ton more fun...and that is the point of this game...using pistols in all their varying types. I'd rather be less uber and have fun then be able to kill most things in the game solo. The speed and accuracy you get in BH pistols makes Last Ditch an absolute killer. Coupled with Eyeshot and Torsoshot and you've got much more effective pistol skills than with Pistoleer in my opinion. Nice terrain negotiation and maskscent from Scout is helpful too.
I really miss Meditate, but I feel so much more like a Smuggler with my pistol hidden under the table rather than a vibroknuckler.
I agree. That's why I still have Pistols. But, I need the TKA to back me up.I like the feel of the DE-10, and Being able to have dodge. Smug/BH Pist./Pistoleer 0043 lacks in defense.
Roleplay: What happens if I get disarmed? Or capured, and my weapon is taken away?
imodi
Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:29 am
#13
I can't help think about the smuggler/BH combination.
I have lost all interest in hunting with the exception of fun hunts with my guild and the requirement for cash and xp. but with the impending nerf of solo groups, my TKM skills would only be required for group hunts and meditate. In terms of guild hunts, we have 3 other master TKA's to tank, so could sit behind with the other ranged attackers.
now with the following template i can keep the meditate line of TKA, and have higher pistol speed and accuracy, i loose the geo cert, (not sure about de-10) still have unarmed hit 2 for those melee moments.
Master Smuggler
Tera Kasi 4/0/0/0
Bounty Hunter 0/0/4/0
Novice pistoleer and commando
pistol speed is85 compared to74 for M.pistoleer.
and accuracy is 115
i get terrain negotiation, and there is definite potential for a lot more fun (running for your life is always a laugh)
Its not uber by any stretch of the imagination, buti have done uber with my rifle/tkm/pistol template, and got bored very quickly. Uber doesn't interest me anymore, i want to just have fun with the game and RP more.
On another hand the triple means i can always punch my way outof a sticky situation, but then there is always feign death, panic shot low blow etc then running for the wind.
2 questions then for this template:
1. can u solo effectively on dant? only need to be able to take down the 10k picket missions to keep me happy and the bills paid. TKM can do in a minute or two, but TKM is a bit Uber for PvE, so within 5 minutes is good.
2. Does having the scatter instead of the DE-10 make any difference? i know the scatter was once the weapon of choice, but is this still the case? if nothng else its a cool pistol
imodi
Message Edited by imodi on 11-11-2004 06:34 AM
Message Edited by imodi on 11-11-2004 08:40 AM
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