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Thread: The events of the last 3 days have been intresting.
I agree, to an extent. Tiggs responded to what I said, but the all important proof that I provided her got no response. I certainly hope that she has read what I said.
I have talked to Wes already about this. There DOES need to be a dialogue between the dev's and us in order to bridge the gap in the way we view smuggling in game. They view it as added content, we view it as a bug. The problem is there is no dialogue because when people bring it up, they get forum banned or ignored.
So I CHALLENGE everyone to stick to the message, we NEED to be able to smuggle in the game, and the lack of it is a bug. I CHALLENGE the dev team as well as the members of this forum to have a civilised discussion about why it isn't in game, why it continually get's postponed, and how to get it into the game.
Yes, stick to the message, but stand firm on it. Do not cave. Do not settle. Demand answers, but demand them in a way we can actually expect a response.
I will not forget who/what we're dealing with here. Actions speak louder than words, and an I'm sorry does nothing to change the countless slaps in the face we've recieved. While I believe we can and should hold their feet to the fire over this, we must do it in a way that will be productive, if that's at all possible.
ill see you there angusMessage Edited by tralita_tusnami on 08-11-2005 10:50 AM
SmugglerPie wrote:
You're being delusional if you think being all nice and kind and sweet to the Devs is going to accomplish anything.
Did the whole "We Diggs Da Tiggs" fiasco teach you nothing?
Yep.
Wes meant well and he has good points about the subject, but a lot of players are feeling alienated on many issues, not just smuggling. They know they're dealing with a divided playerbase - there are happy customers who support the game and bitter customers who are quite fed up and really vocal about it. Both are passionate and just want the best for the game and their respective paths in the game.
As players, sure, we could be easier on the devs, but they're not idiots. We don't have to coddle them. We're doing our part by telling them how we feel, and it's totally their decision toreadand agree or disagree, or just notread at all. I'm sure they'll all feel a lot better about themselves and the game once the veteran flamers let up a bit, which will happen of course, but onlyunder the right circumstances on SOE's end.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
Yes the last 3 days have caused a rift between the smugglers and the dev's like never before. Yes I was near the center or baicly the center, by default, when Thunderheart used a tip he "HIJACKED" from ingame. Am i bitter? NO. Am I watchfull and hopefull that the events wont happen again? YES. Our senior members of this forum are leaving these forums and gamein flocks of hundreds and thousands, and were left holding the bag. I do not believe, that it can get any worse as a comunity in general feeling or content. TIGGS has appoligised and that is all we can ask for, we need to drop this and take steps to show the DEVS that were not a bunch of whiny 12 year olds. We need to center on getting our goal, which is to be able to smuggle.
I CHALLENGE each and everyone of you smugglers to do the unthinkable and actualy listen to the message that WES has put out there, he did not say one bad thing about the devs and he even tried to get the comunity back on track. WE NEED TO GET BACK ON TRACK WE NEED TO TAKE WES'S MESSAGE AND TURN IT UP 10 FOLD. EVERYTIME THE DEVS SEND US A BAD MESSAGE, OR WHAT NOT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS YES, WERE TAKING OUR LUMPS BUT WERE ALSO GIVING BACK TO THE COMUNITY IN A POSITIVE MANNER. When they send us grapes we make wine, when they send us viniger we make salad dressing.
We need to pull togeather and blind them with goodness, this is definatly going to be hard on my part for i dont have a single good bone in my body, and i feer neither do most of you lot. BUT we need to make a shining example how good a comunity can become, Ive been around this game sence september 03 and seen every bit of dammage we have taken. We need to make the best of this situation. THE DEV'S CAN IGNORE US INDEFFINATLY IF ALL WE DO ISWHINE AND COMPLAIN, BUT SHOW OUR LOVE FOR THE GAME IN A POSITIVE MANNER, AND THEY MIGHT THROW US A BONE. My grandmother used to say "You catch more bee's with honny than you do with salt" we need to DO this as a COMMUNITY, or this game will go the way of the dodoo bird.
THANKS
Hmm, well I understand what you are saying and respect that, however that's exactly what this community has been doing for the past two years. The problem is eventually we have no more cheeks to turn. Eventually we become so bruised and battered from the constant deceptions and lies and rebuffs that we are left with no choice but to release our fustration and anger in a negative way. It is human nature. Even the most peaceful person will turn violent if pushed far enough. I watched this community, for about the last 1 1/2 years, take all this in stride. They did it with humor and and banded together to maintain a sense of self as a profession, even if and when SOE treated them less than so. The breaking point was Tiggs's outright contradictory statements and the fact that once again we were being postpo...oh excuse me,I mean"moved to long term'.
I therefore issue a counter challenge. For those veteran Smugglers (and all Smugglers for that matter)who are still around and have just had enough of SOE's crap then let them know how fustrated and angry your are even if it is in a negative way. I am not calling for flaming or violating forums rules. You can get your point across without this. When the devs give you bad news, let them know that you are upset, send them a clear message of your discontent, make it perfectly clear that we will no longer stand by and continue to be trod upon as we have been for the past two years. If the last two years have taught us nothing it has at least taught us that our attitude towards SOE must change. When something fails to work eventually you must change and try a different approach.
Hi, my name is Kelko, and I am soon to becoome the most cynical person in these forumswhen it comes to our profession. No rest for the wicked.
I think there is little point in playing mindgames on ourselves in order to get smuggling.
I say we just be ourselves, comment on what you want to comment on in any way you guys and gals feel, and just expect the unexpected. You might want to quit. You might want to stick around another year. You might do your own thing. Whatever you feel like, and I'll tell you that I do not feel like kissing anyone's ass or blinding them with love.
I'm just going to be myself. If that isn't enough love for them to deal with, they need to shutdown the game.
Ternque01 wrote:
I think there is little point in playing mindgames on ourselves in order to get smuggling.
I say we just be ourselves, comment on what you want to comment on in any way you guys and gals feel, and just expect the unexpected. You might want to quit. You might want to stick around another year. You might do your own thing. Whatever you feel like, and I'll tell you that I do not feel like kissing anyone's ass or blinding them with love.
I'm just going to be myself. If that isn't enough love for them to deal with, they need to shutdown the game.
Message Edited by Kelko on 08-11-2005 02:23 PM
Message Edited by MISTagent01 on 08-11-2005 11:34 AM