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mds248

Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:33 pm

First of all, I would like to say that I have a lot of respect for Tanks. He does a great job, and is generally a voice of reason amidst the chaos of the BH board. However, I ran across an interesting post of his(note - Tanks comments in yellow, I underlined the important part):

Tanks wrote:

SamousNemo wrote:

. A ten minute timer(or hell, even 2.5 minutes to coincide with the TEF) would not make the skill useless, it would change it to what it should be: an escape tool. If a Jedi wants to run away, he has the opportunity.

Actually the devs vision of "Cloak" is an alpha strike ability.

Why have a correspondent then?We know how the Devs/Producers feel on certain issues, but how can it hurt to let them know we still want change?

I'd rather have a list that's ignored than no list at all.
Did I say no list? No, what I said is when devs ask for Top X issues they get the Top issues that are doable and/or game breaking. Of course, I guess I could keep asking for a revamp similar to Smugglers instead of incremental changes that have the same effect over time, you want to wait 2+ years for improvements?. You have no idea on the number of debates and posts on the corr. forums that resulted on us getting names from Seekers, ditto on the offline Jedi on terms issues, or the /offerride changes.

I'll refrain from comment and let the words do the talking...

Antonnio

Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:39 pm

#2

I don't know what to think... It probably means nothing though, well.. nothing intentionally towards us or something.

but... then again...

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TarynGuinn

Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:55 pm

#3

to me it seems more directed at the devs lack of vision, capabilities to do anything right, or to listen to the communities that they continuously screw over... but then again, im on prescription narcotics... so everything feels kinda happy right now... except the pain that they're supposed to be killing.

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Turd_Ferguson523

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:33 pm

#4

I think you're reading to much into it.

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ChemicalBrother

Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:19 pm

#5

It seems to me that Tanks is saying, we shouldn't complain so much cause we're getting more love that you poor Smuggler bast4rds have seen in 2 years. Now with the next patch bug-fixes are going in before Smuggler revamp, that sucks bro'.

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JediArashi

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:53 am

#6

But he is also saying that he is asking for incremental changes that add up to the same as a revamp. Implying that if we never asked for a revamp and instead just asked for 1 little thing at a time, we would be revamped by now.

That could be contrued as a dig at us, but I am of the belief that it is more of a dig to the devs, who can't follow through on a revamp, but occasionally will do a small profession fix.

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Thomen

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:28 am

#7

well just out of curiousity.. wasnt it a devwho firstbrought the issue about revamping smuggler up? cant remember for sure tho.. has been quite awhile.

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twotimes

Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:42 am

#8

well Tanks kinda has a point. it might be more effective to ask for small changes rather than one enormous revamp.

but come to think of it, we're not asking for an entire profession revamp anymore. we have gotten many nice changes to our exsisting skills (and some not so nice). but what we really, truely want is to Smuggle. that's not a revamp. that's just a profession-specific mission system. that's just profession-specific content... something that several other professions already have.

besides,i don't think he'd take an intentional dig at us.

Message Edited by twotimes on 07-30-2005 06:42 AM

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Ragnaat

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:33 am

#9

changes to seekers and other fixes ... we have been asking for that scale of work all along... specials being fixed, tweaks to spices to make a wider varety worth making, slicing changes to give us more control, changes to contraband system to make it matter more or give us more control or activities as smugglers

but theres also a piece we're missing... smuggling.. and.. .well... that doesn't seem so incremental... missions or other activities wont just pop out of nowhere.. its like adding the invest line, when there wasn't one yet, and coming up with everything from those seekers and mission terms and informants... not simply incrementally tweaking whats already in game

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TomoRainer

Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:57 am

#10

Ragnaat's nailed it.

It's certainly wiser to go for incremental stuff over massive demands (so long as there are incremental changes being made, at least), but Tanks' comparison is flawed at a fundamental level. The BHs have always had a bounty hunting system, and however rudimentary it was, that made it possible to slowly expand it, adding one piece at a time till they're where they are now.

Smugglers have never been able to smuggle; there's no such thing as contraband, there's no way to check for it or confiscate it, there's no need to covertly transport something from one place to another.

Kind of hard to ask for incremental changes when there's nothing to build them on. It'd be like dumping bricks down a well.

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twotimes

Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:57 am

#11

TomoRainer wrote:
Ragnaat's nailed it.

It's certainly wiser to go for incremental stuff over massive demands (so long as there are incremental changes being made, at least), but Tanks' comparison is flawed at a fundamental level. The BHs have always had a bounty hunting system, and however rudimentary it was, that made it possible to slowly expand it, adding one piece at a time till they're where they are now.

Smugglers have never been able to smuggle; there's no such thing as contraband, there's no way to check for it or confiscate it, there's no need to covertly transport something from one place to another.

Kind of hard to ask for incremental changes when there's nothing to build them on. It'd be like dumping bricks down a well.

with us stuck at the bottom

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ChemicalBrother

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:05 am

#12

Isn't there a particular Dev that's screwing Smuggler up by putting a block at the head office to make sure no more professions are doing anything illegal? I'm sure that I read a post about this guy a few months ago...no more glorified criminals & stuff.

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Walk, cap low, KoK in my pants
Fly like a dove, that come from up above
My name's Iron Lung but you can say ONE LOVE!

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Thomen

Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:17 am

#13

ChemicalBrother wrote:
Isn't there a particular Dev that's screwing Smuggler up by putting a block at the head office to make sure no more professions are doing anything illegal? I'm sure that I read a post about this guy a few months ago...no more glorified criminals & stuff.

mhm.. never heard about that..

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