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Thread: Smugglers and PC BHs
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Oberon_Ra
Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:42 pm
#1
I was wondering after reading the new Smugglers ideas How many Smugglers would actually want PC BHs after them. Somebody brought up the idea of a 5th level Deadbeat. That would put you on a the PC BH terms.
Somebody also stated that SWG isn't about forcing PVP and Smuggler isn't geared towards PVP, (neither is BH for the most part) The revamp Idea looks like you have a choice just how low you go as a smuggler, you can redeem yourself, and move back up. Going low enough to get PC BHs after you would be a choice that you could make or not make. As far as combat I don't see any reason why a Smuggler can't pic up Pistoler or another combat profession to go with it like most BHs have to.
I have always kind of looked at Smugglers and BHs in the same boat, but Smugglers need the bigger fix.
The only problem I can see is paying off the BHs to continue the mission. Maybe have a deal with them and get your money back. Though Jedi pay off BHs sometimes.
Message Edited by Oberon_Ra on 03-11-2005 11:44 AM
Ragnaat
Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:44 pm
#2
Given that i'm certed for nothing more then an FWG5 and a scout blaster and have oh, +25 pistol speed to my name I really don't think the idea of player bounties is a good one.
SpinningCloud
Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:47 pm
#3
Yes IF one of the following were true...
1. Fighting ability equal to a BH, or
2. Smuggler evasion skills that would give us a chance of permanently evading the BH and removing ourselves from the term.
I personally would like to see #2 since I think our specialty should be stealth and avoidance.
SmugglinZane
Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:50 pm
#4
I would love to be hunted by player BHs provided two things:
1. It's a result from failing a very, very well paying mission. The risk has to be worth it really.
2. The bounty results from specific missions. In other words, the deadbeat counter would not apply. There has to be a definite choice when opening yourself up to player bounties due to the optional PvP system.
Now to go into it a little further, if we have to wait for Smuggler PC bounties, so be it. We've waited a long time for a Smuggling system, and to be honest, these changes are about Smugglers not BHs.
This will hopefully be the start of something great, and the future of it is wide open from what I see.
Atradie
Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:55 pm
#5
We need pistol certs, and pistol speed added to our lines (Like BH's)
or
Get rid of the Brawler Req. so we can spend those points in pistoleer. (Like they did for BH's)
cpz
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:09 pm
#6
NPC BHs will not work.
- feign death
- all NPC missions are horribly bugged as is
- they will be too easy if buffed, not hard enough if not buffed
- there will be constant battle over how tough they are
Message Edited by cpz on 03-11-2005 01:09 PM
JediArashi
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:15 pm
#7
cpz wrote:
NPC BHs will not work.
- feign death
- all NPC missions are horribly bugged as is
- they will be too easy if buffed, not hard enough if not buffed
- there will be constant battle over how tough they are
Message Edited by cpz on 03-11-2005 01:09 PM
Don't forget that this will be post CURB....all that will change my friend.
cpz
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:19 pm
#8
JediArashi wrote:
Don't forget that this will be post CURB....all that will change my friend.
Calming words heh, I hope they hold true.
What I really don't want is to be going about my business and get aggrod by a NPC BH, the way you are with MeatLumps, Chunkers and vrelts. One blue DE-10 bolt and their gone. They must be tough enough NPCs to at least concern every possible Smuggler template.
Message Edited by cpz on 03-11-2005 01:19 PM
Lotussutol
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:19 pm
#9
HOTDOG wrote:
I just replied in the concept thread but I will here too.
The problem is NOT PvP vs PvE related because you have to go to the EXTREME to get to a level 5 deadbeat. Even if you wanted to just keep getting spice you could go to level 4. Succeed in a mission bringing you back to level 3. Fail and go back to level 4 rinse and repeat.
So why don't we stay away from the PvP and PvE argument. It's not a winnable one.
The problem is NOT are we strong enough to face a PC BH because:
- We shouldn't be able to face a BH with just Smuggler skills alone
- Our focus should be on having an arsenal to escape a BH.
The problem IS exploitation ability.
It would be too easy for a Smuggler to fail a level 5 mission by keeping the cargo and allowing a PC BH to kill him and then they both split the pot.
Now I want to say again, and anyone who has followed my posts knows this- I WANT aPC BH to have a contract on me.
But until we can solve the exploitation problem I will be DAMN HAPPY to take this system as it is.
QFE I agree with you 1000%
TomoRainer
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:23 pm
#10
I'd like to see a separate class of missions that qualify you for PC BHs, as well as abilities to help us avoid our hunters, but in general, I'm highly in favor of adding them to the game.
Gavindar
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:23 pm
#11
im for player bountys in general, personally i think if i wanted to take one out on someone i should beable to, it should be very expensive but i should be able to do it, im drifting hold on...
anyways, like i said im for it, however..... a MBH from what i have read is to be a force to be recond with after the CU. They have hinted that a MBH will have some special skill or something that will bring them on par with a jedi knight and wil be worth mastering, in the current system i fear no bounty hunter mostly cause i have some of my own tricks up my sleeve, that and a love and know-how for pvp.
I have a hard time seeing this come about, but would love to see it happen
DrevenStrobe
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:24 pm
#12
I like the proposed system as it is.
While, eventually, I'd like the risk of being hunted down by a PC BH, I've also seen the massive problems that the Jedi / BH system continues to have. Until such time as those issues are resolved, I'll be perfectly content fighting off NPCs (should I dare to let my "deadbeat" level get that bad).
JediNizar2
Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:40 pm
#13
Perhaps after the CU, the combat will be more balanced and we Smuggler would have a chance to fight or avoid a BH???
if it will be like that, than I welcome the idea, if not let it out.
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