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Thread: Just a Quote & Clicky that Makes me a Sad Smuggler *Tiggs Posted Within*

NickHeel
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:00 pm
#1






Akiram_Glockem wrote:
I'm a sad panda.



SUCCESS! The thread has done it's job





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JediArashi
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:03 pm
#2

I was thinking of posting this myself Nick, I'm glad you beat me to it...it allows me to extend my laziness streak. woohoo!


It's all sort of a wierd thing to me. I haven't checked yet, but I don't think the CURB alpha has started either. So we have some major delays...yet they are whipping out back to back kickass patches. I don't really get it except to think that they are working off of a list of fixes and changes prioritized by SOE Tyrant. This list is comprised of Easy fixes, Easy fixes reliant on other fixes, Regular fixes, and Difficult long term fixes. He has taken this list and given all the Easy stuff to the new devs to practice on to give them busy work while they "get a feel for the system" and all the regular devs are continueing the "more of the same" attitude on getting everything not Easy out to us.


I was hoping to see something from Wes regardign this, maybe he can get us an update either today or tomorrow when they are past the "deadline".





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Mentski
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:04 pm
#3

I just have to say, that it really scares me that, after all we've been through, and our outright turning down of the poor "revamp" we almost got some time last year, that instead of the detailed,devoted publish style revamps that other profs have got, we are now being bundled with a load of other profs for revamps, and what we end up getting is nowhere as detalied as what we have been promised, need, and quite frankly deserve.




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DrevenStrobe
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:04 pm
#4

Hey now...it just says January...it doesn't say WHICH January...


Seriously though...an announcement would be nice, just to say "Ooops, we screwed up...again. Looks like it'll be sometime in February or March now."



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LaughingWolf
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:05 pm
#5

We already knew we would not get revamped before the CURB is live, yes? That fp cap thing in the patch was not "the revamp". They already stated they need the CURB done before they can really put forward our revamp. So they started working already on some stuff, is that bad?

And no where do they say they will give us something in January, I would not expect a design document being published today. In fact I would be worried because that would mean everything is already set in stone, and before the CURB, that would be bad news.

As for an announcement, they got burned making them too lightly, soooo I guess they are way more careful about them now.

My opinion

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-31-2005 04:08 PM



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NickHeel
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:07 pm
#6






DrevenStrobe wrote:

Hey now...it just says January...it doesn't say WHICH January...


Seriously though...an announcement would be nice, just to say "Ooops, we screwed up...again. Looks like it'll be sometime in February or March now."










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Independent Smuggler N Pilot of the Famous Sonik Rogue N Forever, The Most Legendary and Greatest Smuggler on Tarquinas
NickHeel
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:16 pm
#7


LaughingWolf wrote:
We already knew we would not get revamped before the CURB is live, yes? That fp cap thing in the patch was not "the revamp". They already stated they need the CURB done before they can really put forward our revamp. So they started working already on some stuff, is that bad?-The point is not about whether we'd get a revamp before or during the CU. We know that and I pointed that out in the analogy of the house and the foundation. And obviously it wasn't the FP deal. And what stuff have "they started working"? I couldn't tell if it's good or bad because we don't know what it is.

And no where do they say they will give us something in January, I would not expect a design document being published today. In fact I would be worried because that would mean everything is already set in stone, and before the CURB, that would be bad news.-A note on whether things are proceding as planned is warranted since it was announced that "in January" that the detailed design of our profession's future is going to be in the works. Seeing as how it's the 31st and we haven't heard anything, I'd like to know if we're being pushed back again.


You also wouldn't need the CU anywhere near testing to lay it out and say that "We are adding scans at starports and a player-based Smuggling system. Also Fake IDs and Smuggled spice. We've decided to group this tree with that tree to make a tree for this new feature. How do you like that?" And I think every Smuggler wuold realized that nothing is set in stone. I mean, who'd of thunk that a promise for a particular slicing bug to make it to live would....make it to live?

My opinion - And much respect for it. Just wanted to clear stuff up so you knew what I meant.







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LaughingWolf
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:19 pm
#8

Mmm but if they started working on that document in January, maybe they are no where near ready to make any announcements.

I fear that experience will have taught them to not make announcements before they really are ready because if they say "we are thinking of doing this" peoples will hold on to that as law and will call them liars if it get changed. And that even if they put a big red "this is a design document, anything in here might change" disclaimer. I would love news too, don't get me wrong.

But I do see your point. True that to give us at least a very broad overview of what they are working on for us would be nice and might help with trust.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-31-2005 04:26 PM



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NickHeel
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:26 pm
#9

And back at you. I know what you mean as well. Say they started work on the "detailed design work" last Monday. It may still be in its rough draft stages and too early to say anything about it yet.


Yet, that still leaves me wondering what happened to the whole idea of them working closely with us for our revamp. Garbage shute?


I mean, if they're learning from their past mistakes, you'd think that after the Publish 9 fiasco they'd have learned to consult with us first. It would kind of suck for everyone if they came up with some crap document that was a rehashed Bounty Hunter tree with Slicing and Spices replacing Carbines and LLC with a statement for us to work out the bugs and use this existing 'onion' to make minor alterations and no blue-sky ideas. Sound familiar?


That's what makes me wonder why they aren't coming to usas they're doing thedetailed design work instead ofdoing a document and then, maybe, running it past us in some lousey guess and check method.




THE LEGENDARY CAPTAIN N'JOH SONIK OF ORD MANTELL
Independent Smuggler N Pilot of the Famous Sonik Rogue N Forever, The Most Legendary and Greatest Smuggler on Tarquinas
LaughingWolf
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:31 pm
#10

Mmm yeah. I think I know what you are refering to. The "redo everything you already did and present it to us in a different format, oh and try to come up with ONE opinion for all the Smuggler community" game we already saw a while back.

I hope they are working closely with Wes and will run that by him at the very least.

Then again, maybe we will be surprised by them submiting a design document for discussion to the Smuggler community in a few weeks. Ok maybe I am being overly optimistic.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-31-2005 04:34 PM



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Shrendyc
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:36 pm
#11






LaughingWolf wrote:
Mmm yeah. I think I know what you are refering to. The "redo everything you already did and present it to us in a different format, oh and try to come up with ONE opinion for all the Smuggler community" game we already saw a while back.

I hope they are working closely with Wes and will run that by him at the very least.

Then again, maybe we will be surprised by them submiting a design document for discussion to the Smuggler community in a few weeks. Ok maybe I am being overly optimistic.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-31-2005 04:34 PM





You're being overly optimistic.



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LaughingWolf
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:46 pm
#12

I knew someone would say that. "laugh"

It's ok, I walked into that one.

Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 01-31-2005 04:46 PM



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WesBelden
Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:48 pm
#13






yimaz wrote:
Ummm, Wes any word on this very, very valid point?





I asked about this when the thread was originally posted and was told I'd be consulted when they needed input. I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that they have/havenot started design work internally some time this January (just re-read that and realised it's a round about way of saying "I don't know" ). If I'm consulted and allowed to let you know about it, I will .




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