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Thread: Petition for Smuggler Crafted Suicide Pills

Amped_Iceman
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:01 pm
#1

Youre walking around anchorhead, chattin it up with the locals, and suddenly four overt imps zone in. You know theres about to be trouble. So you gather up some friends and go declare with the hopes of putting down this imperial menace. The fight is going well, you've got 2 of them down and are working on finishing off the other two. Then it happens. The Jedi Gank Squad shuttles in. Theres 6 of them, all Dark Jedi Knights. What do you do? You know you cant fight. You know you cant run. You know you cant drive. You know youre going to die. All you can do is decide *how* youre going to die.

Instead of standing idly by and letting yourself become another few points of Force Rank, you fumble around in your pack for a little blue pill. No, this isnt some pill to make you uber or invincible. It's pill that will make you die. It's a suicide pill. You take it, and 10 seconds later you die. The fight is over, you lose faction, but the Jedi Gank Squad has wasted a trip and its time. The Jedi's get nothing. And then they stand around wondering why they bothered to group up into such grossly overpowering groups just to take out a few regular PCs.

Its a simple solution to a growing problem. How to deal with gangs of roving Jedi Gank Squads that mass up with the intent of making every overt PC into their own personal jedi content.


Pros of Adding Suicide Pills to the Game:

1) Would greatly discourage Jedi & other PC's from massing up into overwhelmingly powerful groups, and instead seek out combat on more level terms.
2) Pills could be crafted and sold by smugglers, adding a new level of relevance to the class.
3) Would give players a realistic level of control over their own destiny. In a high tech world there is any number of advanced toxins that could be willingly collected and consumed to facilitate a quick and painless death should you fall into enemy hands.
4) Would encourage more players to seek out unfamiliar territory, take new risks, and engage themselves in the GCW.

Cons of Adding Suicide Pills to the Game:

1) ....
2) ....
3) ....

Conditions for making pills a viable solution:

1) Jedi cannot take pills without massive experience loss.
2) Pills would be a factional death for regular PCs, resulting in no decay.
3) Pills would be on a short timer to simulate the effects of poison entering and overcoming the body. Of course I do mean a short timer, but a timer nonetheless.
4) Pills could be experimented on by crafters to increase the potency, and thus reduce the timer before death.

/sign to show support



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Hattrix
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:27 pm
#2

I think its admirable that you're thinking of ways to give the Smuggler a little love, but suicide pills aren't the answer. We're transporters of illegal goods and services, not Kevorian meth-lab scientists.


Is such a pill needed in SWG ? I don't think so, but it is one more option of game play, that's for sure.


I think the best way to limit the number of Jedi running around is to have their increased numbers groupedto cause Darth Vader and his death squad to spawn and attack them. Not only would that be COOL to watch, but also VERY much in context with the timeline ... any visible groups of Jedi would be hunted down and killed by Vader.
DevilsAdvocate
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:29 pm
#3

/sign
Shadowalker191
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:36 pm
#4

/sign Only for added content to smuggler, but your idea carrys weight, I do like it.



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DevilsAdvocate
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:40 pm
#5






Hattrix wrote:

I think its admirable that you're thinking of ways to give the Smuggler a little love, but suicide pills aren't the answer. We're transporters of illegal goods and services, not Kevorian meth-lab scientists.


Is such a pill needed in SWG ? I don't think so, but it is one more option of game play, that's for sure.


I think the best way to limit the number of Jedi running around is to have their increased numbers groupedto cause Darth Vader and his death squad to spawn and attack them. Not only would that be COOL to watch, but also VERY much in context with the timeline ... any visible groups of Jedi would be hunted down and killed by Vader.






I like this idea better for controling jedi gank squads but i still like the pill. However it would probably better suited to the chemical warfare boys...I mean combat medics yeah thats what they do.
DelsteReden
Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:48 pm
#6

I disagree... now you'll see hundreds of people killing themselves every time they're about to lose. That would hurt the GCW badly, imo.







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Fro_With_Attitude
Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:02 pm
#7

Its a good idea, but it would just become abused like Feign Death is becoming with Jedi.




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KJFett
Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:39 pm
#8

Seems more like a pill to be made by Docs or CMs. I dont think a smuggler would make these.



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Capt_Baobab
Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:08 pm
#9

i agree with Kfett on that. relegate it to the Docs, or Cooks. but it is an interesting idea.

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DigiDante
Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:13 pm
#10


Cons of adding suicide pill to the game


- You're teaching the little kids that play this game that it is ok to kill yourself.


I honestly think this is a horrible idea.


Do remember that this game has kids in their teens and younger playing this game. Anything that would result in a self proclaimed suicideis sending the wrong image to kids.

Message Edited by DigiDante on 07-18-2004 08:20 PM



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DigiDante
Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:14 pm
#11






KJFett wrote:

Seems more like a pill to be made by Docs or CMs. I dont think a smuggler would make these.







Even though I object to this idea...


Have you not looked at the different spices we make? We make medicine basically... Check out the names of the different spice trees.




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Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
Amped_Iceman
Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:25 pm
#12

Cons of adding suicide pill to the game

- You're teaching the little kids that play this game that it is ok to kill yourself.

I honestly think this is a horrible idea.


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Cons of logging into this game:

1) Youre teaching little kids that its ok to kill innocent civilians, animals, players, & whatever living entity I forgot to mention.

That logic doesnt stand. Either this is a fantasy world where real world people recognize the difference between real life murder & simulated pretend murder or its something completely different altogether and we all share equally the grave social consequences for participating by logging in and engaging in any sort of combat at all.

EDIT: italics

Message Edited by Amped_Iceman on 07-20-2004 03:47 AM



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DigiDante
Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:32 pm
#13

Petition all you want.


This will never be in game.



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
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