Smuggler Archive
Thread: Maybe it's just me feeling this... but something IS better than nothing.
Message Edited by Iawo on 10-14-2005 10:15 AM
Here's the thing people don't seem to get...
If you settle for this system, we will NEVER see it improved. Ever. Space will not be added "later." The system will not be "expanded" in an upcoming publish. It will be ground Smuggling, and that's all. Despite their initial claims that Smuggler is a "space-based" profession that would have Smuggling added after JTL.
VegitoX wrote:
I dont mean to flame you...but...you just became a Smuggler no to long ago. For those of us that have been in the profession for 1-2 years, just getting something is not good enough.
Think again. I've been a smuggler since before my registration date. I DID respec to BH for the loot, but I've been smuggler all along. Is this why everybody thinks they need to flame me? They think I'm a "new" smuggler? Laugh. Yeah, I did take a few months off after I honestly got sick of this game. So I guess if that's what you call new...
Jaspor wrote:
Here's the thing people don't seem to get...
If you settle for this system, we will NEVER see it improved. Ever. Space will not be added "later." The system will not be "expanded" in an upcoming publish. It will be ground Smuggling, and that's all. Despite their initial claims that Smuggler is a "space-based" profession that would have Smuggling added after JTL.
They'll say "Oh, Smugglers got their revamp. Move them back to the bottom of the line!" and now it's another 2-3 years before they even revisit anything Smuggler related. I mean, damn, if Smuggling has been such low priority while getting NO attention, where do you think it will be ranked once it gets just a bit of attention?
I'll tell you where: Somewhere after giving Jedi new content, pumping out another dozen crappy expansions, and giving Wookiees the ability to have their fingernail colors customized by an Image Designer.
Not true. How many times have the devs improved the original BH missions? Take a look through those old patch notes and you'll see a lot of adjustments and changes to those missions.
Iawo wrote:
Not true. How many times have the devs improved the original BH missions? Take a look through those old patch notes and you'll see a lot of adjustments and changes to those missions.
I'm sorry, but I have a feeling it has more to do with all the 2 year old crybabies than anything for a reason that smuggler still nas no missions to this date. If I came in here and saw all of this disrespect, I'd forget about giving you any content as well.
Message Edited by Jaspor on 10-14-2005 08:50 AM
Iawo wrote:
Tell me this: If you were a game designer and saw nothing but disrespect and flames from a certain profession, would you go ahead and give them what they wanted? I sure wouldn't.
Then I guess we should all be happy we're not a customer of yours. 
If I were a game designer (or any kind of company that depends on paying customers for our revenue), and I saw this level of disgust and dissatisfaction with my product, I would think, "Wow, we really must be doing something wrong if so many people are unhappy." Then I would look at the numbers, and see if they seemto be going down. A fairly intelligentperson could probably make some sort of connection between declining subscriptions and customer dissatisfaction. Correcting the problems would be top priority.
It seems thatinstead of correcting problems to keep their customers, as well as bring in new ones, they're trying to bury them under the rug by focusing on how cool it can be for people to become Jedi and with new "pretty" expansions.
Execpt maybe to 'balance' our combat skills, because, you know, even though we are 'crowd control' we shouldn't have too much control....
I mean, we should only be able to have concussion shot stick 25% of the time, otherwise we are just waaaaaaaayyyyyy to overpowered.
Seriously though, if they would just get it through their thick heads that taking the time to do a quality revamp would shut us up, interest other players in the profession, and bring back some of those cancelled accounts.
Of course, if they gave us a good, quality revamp, they'd have to do it for everyone else, instead of releasing new expansions every 6 months.
Realistically, if they put off the next expansion or two and did quality revamps for those that need it most, they would bring back lots of subscribers as well as new players, which would allow them to have enough teams to do quality revamps AND 1-2 expansions per year.
Put SWG on top where it belongs.
Imagine if you will, bustling starports, full cantinas, busy med centers, a booming economy, servers so full that sometimes you can't log in.
Ok, maybe not quite that many people, but back to at least a pre-CU subscriber count.
Remember those days, when almost every planet had at least one busy starport? Not just Dant. and Naboo.
Full of people buffing and spamming, just passing through, hanging out, trading?
Wow, look at that, a good business model, and I've never even taken a business class.
I tend to agree Iawo here. I AM a realtively new player, and, as I suspect Iawo is, I am also aware that it was the devs that have continuously pushed back the revamp. In the relatively short time I've played SWG, I've already watched the devs swing the nerf bat more than a few times (in fact, it took the xp nerf to finnally get me to register on these forums). I am, admittedly, nervous about what smuggler ground mission would be like, look like, etc. I am nervous about the way they responded to Wes's questions. And I would really like to see smuggling in space. In another post, I outlined what I personally thought were the minimum requirements for a smuggler revamp...and they are a lot.
So much, in fact, that I suspect the development team is simply unwilling to consider tht broad a change at once. It would take a lot of time to code, a lot of time to implement, would almost assuredly create a huge number of bugs, and would require some changes to the core system.
So, if the devs want to start off with just ground based smuggling, then let them. As long as they do it right.
There is a very real chance that we won't get any revamp at all...
And right now, I'm suspect the dev's are thinking something like this...
"Well, we offered to try to start fixing their profession, and they refused, so...let's move on to the next thing that needs to be fixed."
Jaspor wrote:
Here's the thing people don't seem to get...
If you settle for this system, we will NEVER see it improved. Ever. Space will not be added "later." The system will not be "expanded" in an upcoming publish. It will be ground Smuggling, and that's all. Despite their initial claims that Smuggler is a "space-based" profession that would have Smuggling added after JTL.
They'll say "Oh, Smugglers got their revamp. Move them back to the bottom of the line!" and now it's another 2-3 years before they even revisit anything Smuggler related. I mean, damn, if Smuggling has been such low priority while getting NO attention, where do you think it will be ranked once it gets just a bit of attention?
I'll tell you where: Somewhere after giving Jedi new content, pumping out another dozen crappy expansions, and giving Wookiees the ability to have their fingernail colors customized by an Image Designer.
This is the point that I believe everyone isDEAD wrong about. We all seem to believe that if we take nothing, we stay on top of the "priority" list. This wasn't the case after publish 9, and there is no reason to believe that it will be any different. It HAS been 2+ years since we got any real attention, and we did refuse a "revamp" that was less than stellar.
That being said, we have to stick together, here. We are trying to "rebel" (sorry for the SW ra-ra) against SOE, against their "tyranny" (again, sorry...a little to dramatic, but you get the point), their lack of attention. We have to do this together. If the majority says no to this, then I stand beside them...even though I agree with you 100% Iawo. I'm also a BH, dying to drop it so I can have a true Smuggler temp.
Jaspor wrote:
BH and Jedi are a whole different animal. They get continual revamps because those are the only professions they really care about.
As for your second point... uhmmmm, have you ever visited the BH and Jedi forums? Have you ever read the "Daily Bug Threads" that used to be posted? You know, the ones where Tiggs would ask for any new bugs that popped up from the most recent changes, and there would be 10 posts by Jedi crying about putting premium pearlsback in the game or making lightsaber damage higher.If you want to talk about crybabies and whiners, Jedi are the cream of the crop. They whine, stomp their feet, cry, and moan louder than anyone. And guess what. They also get the most attention. By far.
We _tried_ the polite, respectful, professional, patient, and, alas, even the butt-kissing approach. It got us nothing. So if being direspectful gets us nothing (and, frankly, any professional company should not prioritize things based on the behavior of small subsets of subsets of their customers), it wouldn't be anything different than before.
Message Edited by Jaspor on 10-14-200508:50 AM