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Thread: TEF to all imps for anyone trading illegal goods

SaraeItha
Fri May 21, 2004 1:47 pm
#1


Anyone trading illegal should would get a TEF to all imperials regardless of if you were imperial, nuetral, rebel etc. If you trade or purchase a sliced item, spice or any illegal goods you get a TEF.


This seems like something easy to implement which would make being a smuggler more interesting as well as add some risk to slicing. This would force you to conduct business in a more secretive way, as both parties in the trasaction would get the TEF.


Rebels have additional content in the sense that if they get scanned, they have a high likelihood of getting a TEF or being turned overt. This would be something that would add to the RP aspect for smugglers, and add new content for Imperials as well as Rebels.


For example, that person who’s weapon you just sliced could have been an Imperial setting you up, making it a good idea to bustrun as soon as you complete any any transaction. The TEF would start the moment the trade of said items were completed in trade.


This would be something simple to implement that would make our game much more interesting. This would be an idea that I think would be cool in addition to any revamp issues. To me the fact that sliced items, spices, etc have been made illegal by the empire, gives the smuggler a strong role in the GCW. If you are a smuggler you are actively rebelling against the Empire whether you pretend to be Imperial or not.


And yes, 2 people of the same faction can have a TEF to each other. It happens all the time by accident (as a bug)




The professions of this game are like 32 spice fiends in the same room with a few fences. Everyone is screaming for their their fix. If you try to give everyone a little bump at the same time, nobody will be satisfied and the screaming will never end. If you single out each one really hook them up , you will slowly end the screaming. I know my turn is coming, but it still does not ease the pain of realizing I am nobody's favorite ho. XENOTKM/Master Gunfighter/Master Smuggler
Saabotage
Fri May 21, 2004 1:53 pm
#2



As a rebel i like that idea!




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Smuggler_Caylin
Fri May 21, 2004 1:58 pm
#3

This is not going to happen, sorry... too much pvp without consent.



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Ragnaat
Fri May 21, 2004 2:36 pm
#4

you want me to get ejected from my house for slicing a weapon? Or my customers basement? Aren't we supposed to be in hiding?!?!

nevermind the chances to grief people... "hmm, i need some faction... let me find a rebel smuggler and ask him to slice something crap weapon for me so i can kill him"

or the reverse case, where a group of nothing but coverts could manufacture flags and TEF all night long, instead of being done shortly after the last overt dies

besides, a tef when your with your guildies really isn't any kind of penalty, is it? Where is the penalty in that?

and then, as Caylin mentioned, there is no way you're going to see tefs for neutrals, just not gonna happen.

I hate this idea every time i read it. The TEF system sucks already and the last thing I want is to have smuggling piggybacking that crappy game mechanic.

What we need is a new criminal system or perhaps an overhaul of the current NPC faction system to allow more types of NPCs to see us as hostile, and for action other then simply killing them. Do too much smuggling in corsec controled territories then they come looking for you. Trying to work out of Mos Eisley cantina and Lady Val gets word of it expect trouble from her thugs. And while it isn't needed for the idea to work, this could also be a gateway to getting on the BH terms. Piss jabba off and he puts a contract out on ya.

Message Edited by Ragnaat on 05-21-2004 05:37 PM



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Civil_CH
Fri May 21, 2004 2:54 pm
#5

I say sure, bring it on! Oh, did I mention the price per slice willnow be50k? *grins*






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WillburWright
Fri May 21, 2004 7:39 pm
#6






Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
This is not going to happen, sorry... too much pvp without consent.




I think it is a cool idea. Maybe not always, but in areas with a lot of people that could "see" you.




P.S.-I hate this "non-consentual" bull! You joined a side in a war. I don't care if this is a game, if a Rebel sees a covert in stormtrooper armor, wouldn't he shoot first, and ask questions later? This PvP without consent is dumb. An off duty police officer says "don't shoot" to a terrorist....


Ragnaat
Fri May 21, 2004 8:18 pm
#7

most of the non-consentual "bull" (at least in this conversation) has nothing to do with coverts getting outed, but neutrals being brought into pvp even though they have chosen to remain neutral and not PvP in any fashion.



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-I support going slow and being careful.
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AloraElon
Fri May 21, 2004 8:30 pm
#8


This is a bad idea. No way are they going to allow a system which allows Imperials to grief Neutrals and noncombatants who don't wish todoPvP fighting.One of the great things about SWG is that all PvP combat is consensual.






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WillburWright
Fri May 21, 2004 8:42 pm
#9

Well, at least in my opinion, shouldn't the Imperials be "griefing" others? Isn't all the stuff that would give you a TEF illegal (or supposed to be....)?



I can see the TEF point. Maybe....grrr. See your point. Too many jackass Imperials that would grief others. (I am also ashamed of griefing Rebels, that is, Rebels that grief, not the action.)



Maybe if you get "caught" you get a warning: "Get rid of those illegal items. Next time you have (those items), there will be a fine. Move along."

Dakston
Sun May 23, 2004 9:14 am
#10

I like the idea of Imperials being held responsible in some way when caught with illegal goods. My solution would be to give Imperials a TEF after being scanned and getting caught. I actually seems logical to me since if anyone was around to see a Stormtrooper salute you and apologizing for bothering you, it might tip them off that you're not all that neutral. Maybe give an option to pay the fine and keep things quiet (making it look like you actually are nuetral) or taking the TEF. That keeps PvP consentual while at the same time giving Master Smugglers something that a few thousand faction points can't.



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Musashi255
Sun May 23, 2004 11:00 am
#11

You know, everyone keeps saying this kind of idea will allow for unconsentual pvp but that's BS. if people are notified that having illeagal goods or being a smugglercan lead to pvp then THAT IS YOUR CONSENT. in the movies do you think the empire cared that han wasn't a rebel at first? hell no, he was smuggling and that's reason enough. if han was playing this game, though, he could just be like "wait a minute, i'm nuetral, and i surely didn't accept any duels from you storm troopers!" and then all the storm troopers would be like "well, he's got us there, let's go to theed and harras all the covert rebels."


it's just rediculous that someone would defend their ability to carry or deal in illeagal goods without the possibility of repercussion.


if you're so damn afraid of pvp, be a dancer. i think it fits your style more. it's not like getting killed in this game is that big a deal anyways, just be insured and accept the fact that because of a retarded repair system your stuff will not last forever.
Darksbane00
Sun May 23, 2004 6:36 pm
#12

Wouldn't work, People would just do slicing at their house then. Person 1 hands unsliced goods over, Smuggler slices and places on vendor. Person 1 then buys the item. No trade of illegal goods involved.
Agnog
Sun May 23, 2004 7:20 pm
#13






Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
This is not going to happen, sorry... too much pvp without consent.






First, how is the TEF without consent? If it is state in the patch notes that "If you trade, wear, or use contraband you will recieve a tef from now on" it is anything but pvp without consent. They know the risk, if they choose to do so it is their choice. If you have a reason behind the pvp without consent I would really like to see it, but as it stands I don't think it holds water as long as it is somewhere in game where people can see if it were to be implemented.


Truthfully I think that a TEF for trading, wearing, or using"contraband" would be nice. It would add a whole new dimension to the smuggler profession.


Heaven forbid if we were to actually start to feel like we were smuggling something or doing something that is illegal. What do you expect smugglers to do?


Frump - Master Smuggler
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