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Hollow
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:06 pm
#1
If you ever read the Han Solo trilogies, you would know about one of the Smugglers' passtimes when not smuggling.
They would all get together and tweak and trick out their ships, kinda like those kids that hung out in the auto mechanics class in high school.
That being said, and I'm sure this has been proposed before but I think that what Shipwrights do with reverse engineering is more of a smuggler trick.
It falls in the same line as slicing does, you take a component or parts of different components and juryrig them to make them better (Notice the parts are already made, we're not creating anything, just tweaking). So, yes I am suggesting that reverse engineering be a smuggler thing.
Before you flame me, I know that will leave for some pissed off Shipwrights and I'm open to suggestions on how to fill that gap. One suggestion isfor them to be able to make theirparts better because looted parts are usually better than a shipwright's parts. Make the standard looted parts so-so until reverse engineered, then because of the amount of looted parts to reverse engineer the high end stuff, the RE'd parts would be best over all. Shipwrights wouldn't lose money because their parts are still decent. Besides, they are going to make a killing on the chassis anyway.
RE'd parts could be illegal in the same respect that sliced weapons and armor are. (Potential for content)
Anyway, I thought I'd throw out this idea to you guys. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Smuggler_Caylin
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:12 pm
#2
I like the RE system in Shipwright. It adds a bit of spice in to what would otherwise be a dull grind.
A little bit of variety and the chance at rewards in the system as it is are perks to what I would consider just another crafting profession.
Ninx's hanger in Nar Shadaa is also one of the largest things in my mind in regards to smugglers and their ships. I love the idea of the environment involved, yet I don't beleive RE is the answer anymore. Especially now when everything is live.
I would be looking more into how we could go beyond what is already there for our ships. Adding those extra components that set smuggler ships apart... and make them illegally modified.
A little bit of variety and the chance at rewards in the system as it is are perks to what I would consider just another crafting profession.
Ninx's hanger in Nar Shadaa is also one of the largest things in my mind in regards to smugglers and their ships. I love the idea of the environment involved, yet I don't beleive RE is the answer anymore. Especially now when everything is live.
I would be looking more into how we could go beyond what is already there for our ships. Adding those extra components that set smuggler ships apart... and make them illegally modified.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse! 
Jorgie5150
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:16 pm
#3
Smugglers should definitely be able to modify their ships, and smuggle goods, and make worthwhile spice and.....
Hollow
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:22 pm
#4
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
I like the RE system in Shipwright. It adds a bit of spice in to what would otherwise be a dull grind.
A little bit of variety and the chance at rewards in the system as it is are perks to what I would consider just another crafting profession.
Ninx's hanger in Nar Shadaa is also one of the largest things in my mind in regards to smugglers and their ships. I love the idea of the environment involved, yet I don't beleive RE is the answer anymore. Especially now when everything is live.
I would be looking more into how we could go beyond what is already there for our ships. Adding those extra components that set smuggler ships apart... and make them illegally modified.
I don't disagree with you, Caylin, I was just going off of what the game currently capable of.
I'd love it if Smugglers had the ability of adding illegal hardpoints and such but that might change a huge amount in the game structure as to the coding of the ships.
TsN-Wizzer
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:31 pm
#5
I can't believe that it didn't really Dawn on me In beta, But the Process of RE-ing an Item is Esentialy slicing it. Except it's a Shipwright doing it and not a smuggler (and if a Smuggler were to do it it would only Increase 1 stat and that would be random)
Caylin (Or Wes) was this even thought of / brought up in beta? I know the SW got Re-worked so that RE was not a Full Line in Skills, but I have to wonder cause it seems like Such the Smuggler Thing to do.
Bzzzz
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:34 pm
#6
Somehow, I think at this point giving us an ability to upgrade our ships in any meaningful way would just bring outrage to all the other professions (particularly the space profs).
That said though, I think I have the answer:
BIG GLOWING NEONS!
They's flashy, they're illegal, they don't impact anyone negatively, and they're so irrelevant as to fit perfectly within our profession (just like Booster Blue!). Ever see the "engines" on the back of the Falcon? Think Han rigged it up to have a gigantic cross-section so that it'd be more efficient in space, or because it had BLING-BLING!!, baby! 
-Zz
Smuggler_Caylin
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:34 pm
#7
I don't think it would be that hard in my opinion.
Where we have ship components modified, have a new category appear for those with smuggler or even bounty hunter. That shouldn't be too difficult...
From there we could add the 'illegal' components or profession extras that could take up mass/energy.
Where we have ship components modified, have a new category appear for those with smuggler or even bounty hunter. That shouldn't be too difficult...
From there we could add the 'illegal' components or profession extras that could take up mass/energy.
Smuggler_Caylin
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:35 pm
#8
Bzzzz wrote:Somehow, I think at this point giving us an ability to upgrade our ships in any meaningful way would just bring outrage to all the other professions (particularly the space profs).That said though, I think I have the answer:BIG GLOWING NEONS!They's flashy, they're illegal, they don't impact anyone negatively, and they're so irrelevant as to fit perfectly within our profession (just like Booster Blue!). Ever see the "engines" on the back of the Falcon? Think Han rigged it up to have a gigantic cross-section so that it'd be more efficient in space, or because it had BLING-BLING!!, baby!-Zz
We are more of a space prof according to the developers themselves.
Smuggler_Caylin
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:38 pm
#9
TsN-Wizzer wrote:I can't believe that it didn't really Dawn on me In beta, But the Process of RE-ing an Item is Esentialy slicing it. Except it's a Shipwright doing it and not a smuggler (and if a Smuggler were to do it it would only Increase 1 stat and that would be random)Caylin (Or Wes) was this even thought of / brought up in beta? I know the SW got Re-worked so that RE was not a Full Line in Skills, but I have to wonder cause it seems like Such the Smuggler Thing to do.
I saw it as tweaking a car without adding some 'questionable' modifications. Taking the best of all things there and putting them together to make something new. We have designers who do that every day throughout the world and there is nothing particularly shady about it.
Removing critical safety components to have the thing exceed it's limitations though is what I would consider a smuggler thing to do.
DrevenStrobe
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:43 pm
#10
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
Bzzzz wrote:
Somehow, I think at this point giving us an ability to upgrade our ships in any meaningful way would just bring outrage to all the other professions (particularly the space profs).
That said though, I think I have the answer:
BIG GLOWING NEONS!
They's flashy, they're illegal, they don't impact anyone negatively, and they're so irrelevant as to fit perfectly within our profession (just like Booster Blue!). Ever see the "engines" on the back of the Falcon? Think Han rigged it up to have a gigantic cross-section so that it'd be more efficient in space, or because it had BLING-BLING!!, baby!
-Zz
We are more of a space prof according to the developers themselves.
They certainly have a funny way of showing it.....
TsN-Wizzer
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:44 pm
#11
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
I saw it as tweaking a car without adding some 'questionable' modifications. Taking the best of all things there and putting them together to make something new. We have designers who do that every day throughout the world and there is nothing particularly shady about it.
Removing critical safety components to have the thing exceed it's limitations though is what I would consider a smuggler thing to do.
Good Point, Why did you quit again?
(:
j/k
Hollow
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:49 pm
#12
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
TsN-Wizzer wrote:
I can't believe that it didn't really Dawn on me In beta, But the Process of RE-ing an Item is Esentialy slicing it. Except it's a Shipwright doing it and not a smuggler (and if a Smuggler were to do it it would only Increase 1 stat and that would be random)
Caylin (Or Wes) was this even thought of / brought up in beta? I know the SW got Re-worked so that RE was not a Full Line in Skills, but I have to wonder cause it seems like Such the Smuggler Thing to do.
I saw it as tweaking a car without adding some 'questionable' modifications. Taking the best of all things there and putting them together to make something new. We have designers who do that every day throughout the world and there is nothing particularly shady about it.
Removing critical safety components to have the thing exceed it's limitations though is what I would consider a smuggler thing to do.
Well, from the conversations or even hints and rumors, has this even been mentioned from a dev point of view? If this were something that was proposed for the future than I could be happy with the way it is now. This what smugglers are all about, making their ships and weapons stronger and faster , illegally, so they could out-run and out-gun anyone that got in the way of their smuggle mission. (Providing that we get to smuggle)
JTGAlpha
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:51 pm
#13
I like the spirit of it, but we don't have to take RE from Shipwrights to do it. We could have a special kind of experimentation point system that, much like slicing or RE'ing would allow us to FURTHER jury-rig something to push it past its limits. It would wear out or fail more often but with excellent benefits...
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