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Thread: Face of the game changing.. we're 1 of 9
Sengis wrote:
Sengis wrote:
For gods sake its a post in anger, and yes the caps key IS stuck down on my laptop.Those who cant spell grammar, please return to your own troll holes and never darken my posts with your noobish replies again.(I am a Teacher, have two postgrads, there is no requirement to impress upon you the ability of my writing. Posts made in haste are not subject to grammar or sentence structure if I really cant be bothered to. If you cant understand what I posted, we have special classes for you which we can spend time working on your ability to read. If you can take the time to post a negative post on the post before, you cant take the time to read and inwardly digest it)Find all posts by me, my contributions ot the community at large have been on the whole positive and constructive.I have been a smuggler waiting for revamps and being lied to since the beginning by SOE. I have a right to be angry and I have a right to blame (partly) soes link with us. i.e. the Smuggler Corr.I have been not playing the game, since finishing the Wookie quests, and being bitterly dissapointed at being turned into a non smugling slice monkey.Repeatedly when I do poke my head in here, I have said, How come whingy corrs like those at BH and Jedi get things done, but nothing, REPEAT nothing, ever gets sorted for us.Great, so we have some good intergeeks in our smuggler community, they help out with spreadsheets, faqs and how to's. That's NOT liasing with the devs about what we want.Im sorry how much input into the design of this new change, (Which has been in process since last year by all accounts)?NONE.Im sorry, are you the smuggler correspondent, and have you actually been consulted as corr of one of the "NINE" iconic proffessions and how it should play under the new twitch based system?NOSo all the fanbois, please, understand that this correspondent has failed in his duty to us. Going about kissing ass and generally being the devs mouthpiece is not successul community liason.In short: i'm right, you are wrong, mini wave in celebration of me, and i couldn't give a flying fack whether you like what I wrote, how I wrote it, or not.To all those who wish to take the mickey out of me for a single angry post, good luck to you, I hope it enriched your lives.
To be fair Sengy, I think if you were able to read the corro forum, you'd find a fairly active post count by our (and probably every) correspondant.
Be angry if you want, but it's kinda pointless. Anger clouds your judgement, and takes too much energy away from seeing past the BS. Give the new system a shot, see what the new game can do for you. You obviously survived the CU just like the rest of us.
Anyways, your call. Hey Wes, any space behind that upturned table?
korvass wrote:
Hey Wes, any space behind that upturned table?
/tosses Errathe a hold out blaster and moves over.
Sengis, you're entitled to your opinion and I know emotions are running wild right now; if you want to continue your line of conversation via PM, I'll be more than happy to talk with you about what I've been doing these 11 or so months; however I'm trying to keep this thread as a means to help people get to grips with the changes coming to the game, rather than a debate about what lead to them or anyone's competency during that time, so please either start a new thread or shoot a PM over to me.
Iawo wrote:
My biggest question right now is what exactly will happen with crafting / combat hybrids. Will our skill points used in a crafting profession be used in the respec? Will we be able to use those points in addition to our current level CL55 and be able to hit CL 80 again, or will we just have to start grinding at CL 55 all over again?
Psychopyro80 (the brawler correspondent) was one of the few who were privy to a preview of the game changes; he said the following in regard to this:
The exchange is skill point based, not level based. If you used 250 SP you could goto a level 80 combat if you were a hybrid that only had CL 1 or CL 54 or what ever.
I'm assuming we'll find out for sure later today when TC comes online with the characters on there.
Waarangel wrote:As someone who LOVES RP and suuuuuucks at FPS, I have a couple of questions please Wes.
I am willing to give this a chance, but I have never played another MMORPG. This new twitch based combat... can I still throw a targetting box up around a target to see its HAM and not lose track of it? Or do I just around hoping to shoot something before it shoots me?
Can we still target the same thing in a group for effectiveness?
These are my concerns. While I am good at JTL and piloting, targetting boxes, and attacking the same targets are usually what keeps me alive.
I hope you get time to answer it. If not, I guess I will find out on TC soon enough.
More answers from Psychopyro80
To answer, yes. You can still tab target to assess your current choice of targets, however you can no longer click to target them.
Pass thru did not work when we tried to use it. However group combat will have to be more stragety unless there is one mob, as a good portion seemed "family" oriented.
WesBelden wrote:
Iawo wrote:
My biggest question right now is what exactly will happen with crafting / combat hybrids. Will our skill points used in a crafting profession be used in the respec? Will we be able to use those points in addition to our current level CL55 and be able to hit CL 80 again, or will we just have to start grinding at CL 55 all over again?
Psychopyro80 (the brawler correspondent) was one of the few who were privy to a preview of the game changes; he said the following in regard to this:
The exchange is skill point based, not level based. If you used 250 SP you could goto a level 80 combat if you were a hybrid that only had CL 1 or CL 54 or what ever.
I'm assuming we'll find out for sure later today when TC comes online with the characters on there.
Anyways, on a side note, I believe that the potential for roleplay can only improve with the new real-time combat system. Let's not forget that having a profession and a bunch of abilities does not stop us from RPing what we want. I could be a master carbineer and still roleplay a jedi master if I felt like it
If this new combat system is as gritty as it seems, then I think it can only enhance the live-action nature of SWG roleplay. I've personally always been a fan of visual and visceral RP, living the role as it were, not just describing and discussing complex weekly dramas. I'm looking forward to having to choose between saving my bacon in combat, or standing there and getting pummeled while I have a conversation.What I'm not trying to say is that one form of RP is better than another. What I am trying to say is that 9 core classes won't limit our RP, and if the all-action combat goes in as it seems to be, the action side of our RP will be greatly improved.
WesBelden wrote:
korvass wrote:
Hey Wes, any space behind that upturned table?
/tosses Errathe a hold out blaster and moves over.
Sengis, you're entitled to your opinion and I know emotions are running wild right now; if you want to continue your line of conversation via PM, I'll be more than happy to talk with you about what I've been doing these 11 or so months; however I'm trying to keep this thread as a means to help people get to grips with the changes coming to the game, rather than a debate about what lead to them or anyone's competency during that time, so please either start a new thread or shoot a PM over to me.
Dude it isnt you specifically that i have been stressed with, its the pointless role you fulfill which adds to the misdirection false hope and bull**edit** of the last 2 years of pouring money into soe wallets fro sweet fa return.
Errathe, mate, surprised to still see you about.
I have lost over time, 250 close guildmates, (sure we still chat in ts, not all at once,) but have seen my metropolis grow, shrink, regrow and constantly be destroyed, not by the rebellions overwhelming numbers, (sploits ) or whatever, but by the developers continued belief that they soemhow, Know better than we do as to how our game should go.
They lied about having community liason, they lied to us as a proffession from the start. What makes it worse, is the smuggler community, acually throws out top draw posts, regarding directions for our proffesion. Far better imho than the cr4p that the devs have served up.
The facts are in the two years or so of playing this, I have seen
Whinging Correspondents, TIME and AGAIN get results, regarding warcvry nerf, sabre tweaks, ID (Image design ffs) revamps and so on, whilst we as a proffesion merely gotLD nerf, feign death nerf, auto pull nerf.. OO and we were so overpowered with those werent we?
Our politeness has been our downfall. If perhaps we had been a tad more iracible, maybe we coudl have achieved something, Everytime i previously mentioned that we should kick up a stink we get loads of sensible mature, we should talk nicely with the devs type of posts. Where exactly has this got us to now?
Now its too late. Any modicum of increased enjoyment we could haved forced the devs to give us during the last two years has been forfeited nad I excercise my right of irritation.
I really cant understand how any of you can see the game being reduced to 9 proffs form 32? is good for the diversity of the game.
The same moan of failure goes out ot every single correspondent because the system is cack.
Its not a personal ATTACK on Wes the Smuggler Correspondent, its an attack on "THE SMUGGLER CORRESPONDENT". If people are unable to divorce the two that is there problem.
And yes be very afraid for your children, they may actually grow up knowing what they want, and attempt to achieve it instead of sitting down letting everyone sh!t on em from on high.
Message Edited by Sengis on 11-04-2005 03:31 PM
korvass wrote:
To be fair Sengy, I think if you were able to read the corro forum, you'd find a fairly active post count by our (and probably every) correspondant.
Be angry if you want, but it's kinda pointless. Anger clouds your judgement, and takes too much energy away from seeing past the BS. Give the new system a shot, see what the new game can do for you. You obviously survived the CU just like the rest of us.
Anyways, your call. Hey Wes, any space behind that upturned table?
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AngusMacGregor wrote:
Sengis, the fact that you're disappointed with the Correspondent system doesn't give you any right to rag on Wes. None of any of this is his doing. There's nothing he could have done that would have made the Devs give this profession the attention that they were dead set against giving us to begin with. You can't get blood from a stone.
If anything, I think Wes has always shown a lot of grace under fire. More than I would have shown, as anyone who knows me can attest to. Just because he doesn't resort to yelling and whining on the forums doesn't mean he hasn't been fighting for us
Coming here and bashing Wes shows ignorance, no matter how educated you may be. Put your anger where it belongs and leave the guy alone whose only crime was to try and represent jerks like you and I to the Devs.
Now, if you want to post crap like that about the Devs... well, more power to you.
It does beg the question how the hell do the whiners on the bh and jedi forums always get changes they request but never us? Previously you and Oord have told me exactly what you are saying here, but it hasnt worked, so who DO we rag on? Cos i just spent two years of subscription on false promises and bull**edit**
I thought that the correspondent is the link between us and the devs, trickle up angryness if you will. Just because im well educagted doesnt mean I can't be as pissed off as hte teenager who hasnt got an I win button, but over a genuine financial injustice.
I have forked out hundreds of quid, building a city, buying expansions and so on for what, for a pack of lies. Did u see anything in Concept or in dev about this NGE bs?
Message Edited by Sengis on 11-04-2005 03:40 PM
Sengis wrote:
It does beg the question how the hell do the whiners on the bh and jedi forums always get changes they request but never us?
Message Edited by Sengis on 11-04-200503:40 PM
/sigh
They got changes to their professions because the GAME revolved around them for a VERY long period of time.
You have every right to be upset, but for f***'s sake, don't go trashing the new system until you try it.
Why do the people that play this game fear change? It's like they change one thing and everyone flips out! How about you just calm down, take a Valium and sleep your rage off? There's no need to get the entire Smuggler community turned against you just because you're pissy that we haven't gotten any love in 2+ years. Guess what? WE KNOW. We've been there. Many of us that are posting to you have QUIT. We said our goodbyes. We haven't logged in or paid any mind to this game because of how we've been treated.
But now things are changing, and that's something to focus on, not how we've been treated in the past. Start focusing on what's happening right in front of your FACE. Play TC. Send bug reports, send feedback. THIS is the future of our profession, whether you like it or not.
If you don't like it, respec and get out of these forums, or quit. I don't have time to listen to people like you right now. All you do is clog up the forums with useless drivel. So either calm down and start thinking logically and logistically with the rest of us, or shut up.
It would seem that they're prepping the game for PS3 release (look down that list):
http://spel.playstation-3.se/
That would really explain the simplified controls, so they could be easily ported over to a controller...
**shakes DE-10 around angrily**
All I have to say is,I'd better get to **edit**in' smuggle something!
