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Thread: Why I support the NEW LOOT-SLICE system :)

TomoRainer
Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:14 am
#79

Couple things about the DWB.

First off, it's pretty damn brutal. I've gone with a couple groups of 15-20 the last two days, plenty of Jedi and rezzers, and we haven't made it to the end yet, though we've gotten close. Our DE/artisan died about 25-30 times on the way there tonight, lol.

You can get through a lot of it without too much trouble if you've got a good group, though, and the respawn rate's pretty good (or bad, if you're actually trying to get through it). The tricky part's keeping people alive. Defenders don't have too much of a problem there, but right now, it's hard to keep any non-Jedi alive as tanks. The level 89-92 stuff just hits too hard for healing to keep up with. That may change in pub 19, though. If it gets to the point where an actual TKA can tank if he's got a doc drowning him in heals, you can find a point in the DWB that's only moderately suicidal and kill away.

Secondly, when Concussion Shot gets turned into a mez instead of a root, we're actually going to rule the place. We'll be one of THE most valuable professions there.. maybe even third behind Jedi and docs. The ability to let your group focus on just one enemy at a time while you mez the rest into submission is going to be enormous. It is going to make you, as a smuggler, not only desireable for DWB runs, but close to necessary. You've gotta use that to leverage your way into slicing components.

Thirdly, my ultra-kingly Plan Z for the DWB, the "last ditch" groupsaver, if you will: the rez arm + FD = the win combo. If your entire group is clearly about to die, FD, hope it succeeds, then hope you're at a spot where that Super Battle Droid down the hall won't reaggro you when you stand up. If you meet those conditions, get up, use your arm to rez your doc, and demand immediate homage/increased loot payments from everyone in the group. A smuggler-only skill, of course.

All this stuff will work even better on the Avatar, where non-Jedi can actually tank through a lot of it, I understand.

I know a lot of that may sound powergamish, but if my lame ground combat ass can be useful in the DWB, you can too. And once Concussion Shot is working the way it's supposed to, we're going to turn from "group filler" to "Bloodguard owner." Don't get too stressed out about how hard these places are before you give em a shot.







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AngusMacGregor
Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:51 am
#80






MISTagent01 wrote:
Well, I buy candles! *sniff*




I find your lack of pink text disturbing...




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Balzan
Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:48 am
#81

Thinking about it even further the only way I will accept this change would be if it the loot were from smuggling missions. Not just dangerous caves. That we could take part of our cargo which would be weapon/armour upgrades. Much better version than just getting some spice...

I won't pass judgement 'til I have numbers! That and smuggling missions



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Daturaze
Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:54 am
#82





Saarek wrote:


But I do have to declare that I am the best looking one out of us all. Sorry.




Dude - you live in the 'Peg don't ya?? Sadly the best looking person to come out of there was Neil Young, and that ain't saying much!! :>

/ducking
/avoiding rancid pie throwing

Thomen
Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:47 am
#83








TomoRainer wrote:


Thirdly, my ultra-kingly Plan Z for the DWB, the "last ditch" groupsaver, if you will: the rez arm + FD = the win combo. If your entire group is clearly about to die, FD, hope it succeeds, then hope you're at a spot where that Super Battle Droid down the hall won't reaggro you when you stand up. If you meet those conditions, get up, use your arm to rez your doc, and demand immediate homage/increased loot payments from everyone in the group. A smuggler-only skill, of course.





What do you think will happen if you try this with the wrong group of People, or a bunch of Loot Whores and Powergamers? You probably will find yourself alone in the middle of DWB, booted from the Group and left behind for dying.




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PikechickLei
Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:17 pm
#84






MISTagent01 wrote:
Well, I buy candles! *sniff*





Well, so do I, but you know who I was talking about. Those guys. Over there. The boys.



ie, the bulk of the playerbase and our client base.





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Marven_Darkfly
Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:38 pm
#85






Rogue135 wrote:

I'll give it a chance, but the whole idea of having a loot item needed for slicing seems to have a ready made solution already - Smuggler missions. Sure, they're still a few weeks off, but I'd be more than willing to wait.


Not only does it do away with loot camping, it gets rid of the overpricing that will surely happen when we'd have to buy from some loot vendor and it gives us a reason to do the smuggler missions over the long-term.








QFE Please Please Please Smuggler missions...harder the better stuff you MIGHT get.


Also with failure the npc bounty hunter...and for the REALLY good stuff for slicing have the rick of player bh missions!





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PikechickLei
Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:07 pm
#86






TomoRainer wrote:

Secondly, when Concussion Shot gets turned into a mez instead of a root, we're actually going to rule the place. We'll be one of THE most valuable professions there.. maybe even third behind Jedi and docs. The ability to let your group focus on just one enemy at a time while you mez the rest into submission is going to be enormous. It is going to make you, as a smuggler, not only desireable for DWB runs, but close to necessary. You've gotta use that to leverage your way into slicing components.






The trouble with this is that there are far more smugglers on the servers than guilds/groups capable of making DWB runs. It's great in theory, but it practice what you're suggesting is only going to work for a very small handful of smugglers. The ability to offer the top end slices should be based on what you know, not who you know.


The more I think about the loot system the less I hate it (although it's still a pale shadow of the system we've been talking about for the last year), but I believe that restricting these loots to the Death Watch Bunker and Avatar Station is even more extreme of a penalty than the weapon breakage --and it penalizes the smuggler instead of the slice-ee. I'd be much more willing to accept it if, as someone else mentioned, they followed more along the lines of the loot kit items, where any meatlump or chunker has a chance of giving you a tier 3 slicing object, with the tier4 ones being rare like adhesives. At least everyone gets a fair chance, and the first time some level12 newbie scoots up to you on his BARC speeder and excitedly gives you the Splendtastic Thingamabob he found on a Valarian's Swooper and asks you to slice his lumbjack axe, it will be a beautiful moment.




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