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Thread: Smuggler delay
1. Not surprised!
2. Not angry!
3 Is wondering about Glitterstim spice going in with this Publish?
4. Hey at least you leveled with us. No matter what you said really, it still would have made some people mad. Least you gave what seems to be an honest awnser to the situation. :-) You people are working hard, YOU DO HAVE ALOT on your plate. Just please remember the key word of "LOVE", when it finally comes time for us smugglers to take our role in the Galaxy! :-)
5. The honest STRIGHT FORWARD awnsers appease me more often then not. (I hate smoke being blown up my butt, so thank you Devs.)
6. Listen now that Smuggler is on hold, I am now turning my attention to making sure the GCW, is acctually a WAR.
And also they may not be keeping us in the dark. But if we are gonna be waiting till after JtL then its ok. WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME!! They know what we want. WE have been vERY clear. I'm sure when the unveil it, it SHOULD be nearlly everything we dreamed :-P. Either that or i just feel good today.....
How about hiring more people to help? Or is SOE too greedy and stingy to spend 300k on 4 new employees salaries? They have made millions and millions of dollars off of us it shouldn't be that hard to give a little back.
I love smuggler and have been a Master since August. When I did the holo grind I kept master smuggler the entire time I never dropped it not once. Well I have to say that I'm done with the smuggler proffesion. It's a sad day for me but I just can do it any longer. To be honest the only thing keeping me on was the new master smuggler spice and the new master smuggler slicing along with some promised pistol and unarmed modifiers and specials. Now that I find out once again that smoke has been blown up my ass I realize it's just not for me any longer. I'm dropping smugler and all ranged and picking up all melee and with some medic so that I may own the PvE arena and maybe get some good loot for once.
WookieIsshe wrote:
NickHeel wrote:
You have screwed up for the last time. No amount of apology can EVER fix this. EVER.
You pussyfoot around with some confounded Jedi system that you love so much but can NEVER get going right. You lie to us OVER AND OVER and you expect to dump this on us? This is ridiculous. What's worse is, over the times you get our hopes up I think the Publish 11 pushback was the best. You actually admit your fault and be realistic with us. We get a crack team on it for 3 weeks to do PRECISELY what you ask and it's all for NOTHING.
How can you people honestly say you are earning a paycheck? If you counted this job as a reference I wouldn't hire you at friggin Arby's for ignorance.
Now...I dare you to come back in and face the flames like someone that cares. That's right, if you truely care about this profession you will stop this bullflop and put the fire out and contain it the best of your ability. I can't believe this crap. And so help me, if you DARE try to piss this fire out...
I have some nice pull with a LOT (around 45) of Tarquinas smugglers...and they'll hear about this...I will do my best to convince each one how **edit**ty and futile this is and for us to quit.
Suck a fat egg, SOE...you have truely **edit**ed up.
Message Edited by NickHeel on 06-04-2004 11:51 AM
Let's see you do a better job. They had to make hard decisions. Would you rather get a system now that is less then desirable or one at a later date that is complete and fun?
Quite frankly they do NOT have to even come to the forums. I have seen some games shut down their forums cause the gaming community ( quite a few people, not all ) are complete, utter morons. From your post I would throw you into that catagory.
That brings up a good point. Since they're waiting till after JTL THEY have more than enough time to read up the docs we submitted time and again.
But if we are gonna be waiting till after JtL then its ok. WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME!!
Here ya go, JustG...
You wanna make this up to us, here's what you have to do...
repost:
1) First they need to go back and answer that question of our from the latest 19 Answers. It is IMPERATIVE that we know HOW JTL is supposed to give us a greater role in the galaxy. For one thing, it's dishonest to make people BUY an expansion, just to discover whether or not they want to continue their profession. Secondly, we REALLY don't understand how three pilot professions are the magic bullet to solving our lack of role issues. Personally I'm having nightmares of, "Well they've got ships, they can smuggle now!" being the answer, when all that means we'll be able to fly back and forth when we're NOT smuggling, as there is no reason or incentive for Players to ask us to ship something for them. In short, "What specifically, about JTL is going to further define our role in the game as ACTUAL smugglers (as opposed to combatants/spice/slice monkies?). " That's number 1.
2) The Devs need to stop asking us for vision documents, design documents, and other busy work, promising communication that never comes. We know it's busy work, okay? And we're sick of doing those docs. Because it's the SAME DOC every time, with the same ideas. I haven't heard a new idea around here in like TWO months because NO idea around here ever gets heard or implemented. They just keep asking us for the same ideas in different formats. Their latest excuse is insulting...."It needs to be 1-2 pages long." That tells me that they have no reading comprehension skills. I don't do this crap for a living. They're supposed to be asking my volunteer assistance, not putting me to work. We give them the data, THEY interpret it. We're not writing anymore documents.
3) THEY NEED TO READ! They need to read all the documents they've sent. Someone on THEIR staff can condense it for them if they like, but they need to read the ideas they've put forth and start talking about them, amongst themselves, and, just as importantly TO US. They have questions? We can answer them. They have problems? We'll try to help them think of solutions. BUT THEY"VE GOT ENOUGH IDEAS TO BUILD A WHOLE NEW **edit**ING GAME. No more from us. Work with what we've given you.
4) Where's that communication? end of subject.
I don't want new bells and whistles. Bells and whistles are the PROBLEM, not the solution. I want communication. I want them to read and review our ideas. I want them to start working on them. I want to know where I fit in the new Expansion. I DON'T want to regurgitate the same ideas, "Yeah, can you do it in one paragraph, not using the words, 'a', 'the', or 'smuggle'?"
For those non-smugglers in the audience joining us because this is in devtracker, I'd like to point you to a wonderful thread we have called "Smugglers in SWG History - as written by the Devs". It basically lists out all the broken promises we've been given as a profession since August of last year.
So forgive us Gary if we just don't believe that you understand how upset we are, or buy into whatever you say when it includes being "straight up" and not misleading us.
As the author said before he quit, "Remember your history, Smugglers."
Thunder68 wrote:
WookieIsshe wrote:
NickHeel wrote:
You have screwed up for the last time. No amount of apology can EVER fix this. EVER.
You pussyfoot around with some confounded Jedi system that you love so much but can NEVER get going right. You lie to us OVER AND OVER and you expect to dump this on us? This is ridiculous. What's worse is, over the times you get our hopes up I think the Publish 11 pushback was the best. You actually admit your fault and be realistic with us. We get a crack team on it for 3 weeks to do PRECISELY what you ask and it's all for NOTHING.
How can you people honestly say you are earning a paycheck? If you counted this job as a reference I wouldn't hire you at friggin Arby's for ignorance.
Now...I dare you to come back in and face the flames like someone that cares. That's right, if you truely care about this profession you will stop this bullflop and put the fire out and contain it the best of your ability. I can't believe this crap. And so help me, if you DARE try to piss this fire out...
I have some nice pull with a LOT (around 45) of Tarquinas smugglers...and they'll hear about this...I will do my best to convince each one how **edit**ty and futile this is and for us to quit.
Suck a fat egg, SOE...you have truely **edit**ed up.
Message Edited by NickHeel on 06-04-2004 11:51 AM
Let's see you do a better job. They had to make hard decisions. Would you rather get a system now that is less then desirable or one at a later date that is complete and fun?
Quite frankly they do NOT have to even come to the forums. I have seen some games shut down their forums cause the gaming community ( quite a few people, not all ) are complete, utter morons. From your post I would throw you into that catagory.
I think most of us could do a better job of managing what to do and when to do it. Let's see, Push the Jedi revamp back to after the expansion.Or at minimum instead of making it a 3 part revamp, take out hologrinding and CAP Jedi in one revamp then worry about it LATER!!!!!
Next move the Combat balance to the forefront. Nothing should be more important than this, not even JTLS. If the combat balance is put on the backburner nobody will be left on the ground after JTLS to even benefit from it. Make it fun now so people will still want to play it. Include us in the combat revamp along with all the broken professions, Rangers, Squad Leaders, Pistoleers, etc...
Then when the ground game is balanced worry about adding the space expansion. I for one am extremely excited about JTLS, but it will destory this game if it isn't added to a working system.
I am not so sure about that. We have not got the full story nor do the devs have to tell us everything. Hell there could have been personal reasons ( could have been family death or health issues and some of the dev team had to take time off ). We just don't know, but to go off half cocked and angry (folks this is just a game) is absurd.
I say that everyone needs to take something to make them relax 
I am not so sure about that. We have not got the full story nor do the devs have to tell us everything. Hell there could have been personal reasons ( could have been family death or health issues and some of the dev team had to take time off ). We just don't know, but to go off half cocked and angry (folks this is just a game) is absurd.
I say that everyone needs to take something to make them relax
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That could very well be true, but how does that change the fact that they chose to revamp Jedi before Smugglers, Rangers, Squad Leaders, Pistoleers, the GCW, and Combat in general. Before this game was released the devs stated OVER and OVER that Jedi would be rare and that this game wouldn't me KOTOR or Jedi Knight. Then when thye realized the system they had implemented didnt work ,they abandoned it and decided to turn the game into KOTOR online.
I moved my Smuggler to an alt account, so at least I can play my investigativly challenged BH.
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