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Thread: Have a Question/Concern/Idea about Last Ditch? Read this!
all times having about 10% health left
Message Edited by Reevan on 06-20-2005 09:35 AM
Well i'm having the same problem. I just can't use last ditch without incap my self. I used it with low, half and full health andgot incap every time, without making any damage to the target. This special is just useless at the moment.
Smuggler is supposed to be a crowd controler, so i don't understand why the effect of the concussion shot (root) ends when the targetgets damaged, This change turned out concussion shot also useless in PvP.
Smugglers combat skills are being eliminated.
If nobody changes the way things are going, smugglers can just forget PvP because they just can't win.
I don´t have anything against Jedis, but i got really sad when i saw that Jedisare all over the galaxie and in increasing numbers... it's like a spreading disease. Why don´t you call it Star Wars JEDI's Galaxies.
BH should leave young Jedis alone, a should be the ones with the power to eliminate Jedis that are full templates for over 2 months or so. This way everybody would have the chance to be a jedy, but after to months of being full templates theywould be hunted and probably eliminated, so that Jedis don´t become a spreading desease.
Weshould be talking about therebelion against the Impire, that's what Star Wars is all about right? Instead the big news are allways BHvsJedis.Somebody should do something about it.
They get an outside source (slapping a stormtrooper, duelling a friend) to incap them and then as they rise from incap they open with last ditch on an unsuspecting jedi for a one shot kill.
If they could make it so you can only last ditch a target that has physically hit you that would go a long way to balancing the special.
I'm also of the opinion damage should be capped at around 2500 post armor. Making it a powerful hard hitting special but not an instant kill opening move like it's being abused right now
Shimond wrote:
There are a couple smuggler/bounty hunters exploiting last ditch on my server.
They get an outside source (slapping a stormtrooper, duelling a friend) to incap them and then as they rise from incap they open with last ditch on an unsuspecting jedi for a one shot kill.
If they could make it so you can only last ditch a target that has physically hit you that would go a long way to balancing the special.
I'm also of the opinion damage should be capped at around 2500 post armor. Making it a powerful hard hitting special but not an instant kill opening move like it's being abused right now
That's not an exploit. That's the result of people(Jedi) to arrogant or stupid to run away when a Bounty Hunter approaches who just slapped a Storm Trooper(Why the hell would a Jedi hang out around a Storm Trooper anyway? More arrogance or stupidity.) or when two players are having a vastly one-sided duel.
If its not going to do as much damage to your opponent as it does to you, then it becomes a "kill me now" shot. There should be no cap on damage unless they raise how much health you have left after using it, and then its no longer Last Ditch. I'll copy exactly what I said in another thread.
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
A brief examination of Last Ditch.
Last Ditch is ment to deal massive damage with a less than 40% chance of hitting when used properly. This attack deals greater damage inversely related to the player's health, simultaniously lowering HAM stats to near zero or below, possibly incapacitating the user(even if the attack does not strike the opponent); the ultimate risk for a moderate reward, meaning it has become an ideal attack to use as a final resort, thus the name, Last Ditch. The method to reach the ideal range of Health to do maximum damage, while potentially being unsporting, is irrelevent.
Is the idea of a player using a quirk in the system to immediately bring thier health is cheap, cheesey, and despicable? Yes.
Is it fair? That's arguable.
Is it clever? Deffinately.
Does it always hit? Not a chance.
Is it avoidable? Completely. Avoid standing around Storm Troopers, avoid NPC cities and large crowds of players and NPCs, don't equip your saber/robes/use force powers/Jedi-related titles in public; above all else, do your damnedest to stay off the terminals. If anyone has a Bounty Hunter after thier ass, its thier own damned fault. Nobody is forced to group to advance/gain experience. For Jedi, its another Risk versus Reward situation.
Quit complaining about people using thier heads to outsmart other people.
Shimond wrote:
That's certainly your opinion and you're welcome to it.
I'm of the opinion a one hit kill special (regardless of how infrequently it may or may not land) has no place in a balanced CU where the emphasis is on fun and balance.-I don't disagree that a "one-hit kill" shouldn't exist in a game with many players for the sake of balance, but you're ignoring the facts that first, you have to have the Everlasting Piss™ beaten out of you first, to make it useful; second, it has to go through armor first, which can easily stop 60% of incoming damage(I've tested this myself, as well); third, when you use it, all your HAM is reduced to the point that if a leaf falls on you, you die, so the special must be extremely powerful to justify placing you in that situation. This also means is only usefull in a One-on-One/Two scenario, which doesn't happen as often as many people think.
There's no reason for it not to be used if it does 75% of the target's health in damage when it lands and has a requirement of being only usable on someone that physically damaged you.-Except you seem to be ignoring(instead of forgeting, as I previously thought) that armor will drop 60% of that 2500 damage(unless you expect to make a special which ignores armor, then you're just asking for exploited bugs), and you still need your HAM to be incredibly low to make use of it(risking incapacitating yourself when using it) and the fact that you no longer have as much of a chance as dropping your opponent when using it. That would bring it back into balance instead of what it is now - an overpowered special being exploited as a one hit kill first strike.-My take on someone letting someone else hit them with Last Ditch as a first strike seems like insulting a guy carrying a submachinegun while you have a pocketknife. You're asking for it if you just stand around waiting for him to get up or the one-sided duel to finish.
I'm of the opinion a one hit kill special (regardless of how infrequently it may or may not land) has no place in a balanced CU where the emphasis is on fun and balance.
There's no reason for it not to be used if it does 75% of the target's health in damage when it lands and has a requirement of being only usable on someone that physically damaged you. That would bring it back into balance instead of what it is now - an overpowered special being exploited as a one hit kill first strike.
Any special, weapon, or tactic that effectively defeats a Jedi, even if it only works 10% of the time will be nerfed because they (and apparently the developers) believe that their oh holy two-month grind to Jedi Knight has earned them the right to be invincible.
Hell, they even get each other's specials nerfed.
Why SOE continues to bow down to a class that will most likely cause the death of this game is beyond me.