Smuggler Archive

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Oss_Wilum wrote:

you guys can't empathize with the BH even a little?

when a jedi uses feign, that it, game over man, game over. there has some be SOMETHING to counter this and atm there isn't. tanks says a posture up attack (rifleman) is supposed to break a feign, but it's bugged right now and he's pushing for a fix.

i don't understand what the problem is tho, i was under the assumption that FD was useless for non-jedi in pvp anyway since you WILL lose your armor and WILL be blackbarred. plus, even if you do have to die in pvp, what do you lose? i really enjoy killing people in the GCW, but while looking for overts i ran into a jedi, she killed me in about 20 secs, i cloned, and wasn't all that bummed. i lost my buffs ya, but i didn't have to reinsure and i didn't take hardly any wounds or battle fatigue.

maybe just making states go through saberblock would be enough? and make it so stun or dizzy or blind keeps you from feigning. stun used to do this i think, but it's been confirmed that it doesn't anymore.

this is a real problem for BHs. it's like flushing 40 minutes and about 20k if there isn't a fight down the toilet.

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I understand where the BH are coming from 100%. That's got to be frustrating as hell for you. The solution however, is not to nerf the one really usefull thing we get out of the DF line.

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Shrendyc wrote:

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Slarus wrote:

Here is an idea. Make feign death unusable while you are overt or you have a TEF. This would essentialy make it worthless to the Jedi. And anything that helps the BHs kill Jedi is a good thing. The less there is of them the better.

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yeah lord knows thier $15 per month is worth less then your $15 per month, so they should be harrassed, how pathetic

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Currently, it seems that a smugglers $15 per month is worth less than a Jedi's $15 per month, as the Jedi have had their entire profession overhauled and have had 2 publishes dedicated to them, whereas the smugglers have been promised a revamp for over a year now and have gotten only negative changes.

I'm not for harrassment of any profession, by the way. But I also don't want a skill my profession uses eliminated because some dabblers are abusing it. We don't have a lot as it is, we don't need to lose any more. So if it means Jedi don't get access to that skill, well - guess it sucks to be a Jedi.

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Thanks, that is a teriffic explanation.

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Oss_Wilum wrote:

you guys can't empathize with the BH even a little?

We can and I think we do for the most part. I have been reading the BH threads on the same subject and I totally see where they are coming from. The hard part is figuring out what needs to be done. While I don't like seeing FD used in any PVP, I can see that some of the smugglers do and I can respect that. So it would not really be fair to nerf FD in regards to PVP. So then the change needs to be something else...

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fishbrains wrote:

i don't understand what the problem is tho, i was under the assumption that FD was useless for non-jedi in pvp I understand where the BH are coming from 100%. That's got to be frustrating as hell for you. The solution however, is not to nerf the one really usefull thing we get out of the DF line.

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Out of the DF line? Try the whole damn profession

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Out of the DF line? Try the whole damn profession

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That is unfortunatly very true!

Treborg

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ZallusNuranxis wrote:

fishbrains wrote:

i don't understand what the problem is tho, i was under the assumption that FD was useless for non-jedi in pvp I understand where the BH are coming from 100%. That's got to be frustrating as hell for you. The solution however, is not to nerf the one really usefull thing we get out of the DF line.

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Out of the DF line? Try the whole damn profession

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I dunno, I'm gonna say for me the redused FP loss in PvP, FP buying/selling, reduced faction perk costs, and being able to slice my own stuff is pretty darn nice

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Slarus wrote:

I guess then George Lucas should never have had Jedi...but that was the core of the Star wars movies, oh well what does George Lucas know.

but really if you dont like Jedi, dont play Star Wars, get Everquest, City of Heroes, Legacy II, etc. There are many games to choose from, and only SWG has Jedi, so you have more choices then I do, I want to play a MMORPG Jedi I have only one place to go for that, we will miss ya in SWG but you should be happier elsewhere if Jedi irritate you so bad.

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Man the core of the Star Wars movies was the fall, and redemption of Anikan Shywalker. Not Jedi.

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GrimRebuke wrote:

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BigSlimUK wrote:

How about making it so if you feign death you lose some faction points and/or jedi xp (would stop jedi using it) also if BH has mission on said jedi and engages combat and jedi fd's on him it counts as the win and he gets mission complete. This would solve all the problems, jedi using it would suffer an xp loss, bh would receive his money and all the other smugglers out there thta use it will suffer a faction point loss.

what you thiunk of that idea?

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I like this idea a lot. The experience loss for the Jedi needs to be a far-cry less expensive than dying, though. The feign would have to remove the Jedi's visibility on the terminals as well. And that would need to go through some serious balance testing to make sure it isn't abused by Jedi/BH teams. The situation has to work both ways as well. If the BH feigns, he fails the mission and risks getting visibility on the terminals. And FD needs to be fixed so that you appear as a corpse and can NOT be targetted, as well as having your combat flags removed. You should stand up from FD with the same status as if you had cloned, only without the whole dying part/item decay/wounds.

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I have to disagree about the reduced XP loss. It needs to be full, or something just as bad. In this situation whats the keep the BH from takingsome kind of trophy as proof saytheJedi's head? How about this if he feigns he looses his saber so the BH can turn it in for proof of completing the contract. Hmmm just make it a penalty for dying, jedi looses the xp and his saber becomes the proof. Hmm I like it there is something to this,but I can already hear the screams from the Jedi board.

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Selko wrote:

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Slarus wrote:

I guess then George Lucas should never have had Jedi...but that was the core of the Star wars movies, oh well what does George Lucas know.

but really if you dont like Jedi, dont play Star Wars, get Everquest, City of Heroes, Legacy II, etc. There are many games to choose from, and only SWG has Jedi, so you have more choices then I do, I want to play a MMORPG Jedi I have only one place to go for that, we will miss ya in SWG but you should be happier elsewhere if Jedi irritate you so bad.

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Man the core of the Star Wars movies was the fall, and redemption of Anikan Shywalker. Not Jedi.

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Moreever, those games don't have smugglers in a SW universe. If you want hokey religions you might try Lineage 2, EQ, or any number of fantasy themed MMOs that involve magic

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BigSlimUK wrote:

How about making it so if you feign death you lose some faction points and/or jedi xp (would stop jedi using it) also if BH has mission on said jedi and engages combat and jedi fd's on him it counts as the win and he gets mission complete. This would solve all the problems, jedi using it would suffer an xp loss, bh would receive his money and all the other smugglers out there thta use it will suffer a faction point loss.

what you thiunk of that idea?

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I like this idea a lot. The experience loss for the Jedi needs to be a far-cry less expensive than dying, though. The feign would have to remove the Jedi's visibility on the terminals as well. And that would need to go through some serious balance testing to make sure it isn't abused by Jedi/BH teams. The situation has to work both ways as well. If the BH feigns, he fails the mission and risks getting visibility on the terminals. And FD needs to be fixed so that you appear as a corpse and can NOT be targetted, as well as having your combat flags removed. You should stand up from FD with the same status as if you had cloned, only without the whole dying part/item decay/wounds.