Smuggler Archive
Thread: Let me abuse your skills then tell you how it needs to be nerfed
The flashbang Idea.
Why does it need to be a seperate craftable item? We are slicers, correct? What if this "flashbang" is just an overload of our blaster's powerpack that creates a minor explosion. Now, the reason I thought of this idea is to prevent dabblers. If we use the succeed/fail mod in the currend DF tree, then include a 'effect duration' mod to the slicing tree. Same way Medics and Docs have an injury treatment tree i suppose, though this would dictate how big the explosion was, thus determining the length of time the smuggler has to escape.
Anyway, the net effect is, obviously Master Smugglers would top out on both trees and be far better than anyone else with the skill. You also force dabbler (like Jedi or BH) to essentially committ 5 or more additional skill points (slicing I) to make FD viable.
/Checkcorpse Idea
If the current FD systems remained, I think the profession to be given a /checkcorpse or similar skill should go somewhere in the Doctor tree. Partially because this gives docs an additional role in battles or on BH hunts, and partially because novic doc requires more skill points than Jedi or BH could commit to. I know docs have it good already, but it would be nice if professions needed eachother in the field again.
Change to current FD
We talk about the logic of faking death before a trained assassin. What if FD required a smuggler-only certed spice. This spice would essentially slow down or virtually stop your heart, making it so only a highly trained medical professional (I.E Doc) could tell you were faking. Again, if this cert were added to the spice tree (which is easy to grind) it would require a Jedi/BH/dabbler to invest 5+ additional skillpoints to make FD a viable skill.
Now then, since we're always talking about this profession being about risk and reward, i think using FD should be a more risky proposition. If my blaster-explosion idea were implimented, it should definately come with a severe decay penalty. With the weapon-switch timer, you have to ask yourself if you really want to FD with a leagondary Geo (or lightsaber), if you have time to switch weapons before getting DBed, or if its better to finish fighting it out and see what happens. If the suicide-spice were added, you could make other severe consequences. Say 5% of the time used, you basically OD and kill yourself. Or, if you stay FDed for a long time, when you stood up you suffer blackrot on your Mind/Focus/Willpower (braindamage), not that there would be a definate 'timer' so to speak, just a consequence for using the skill. In this situation, I don't believe someone would camp your corpse, since they've already seen your corpse and a Doc checking you certified you dead.
Wow...serious rambling. I hope that makes any sense. Just half a dozen jumbled ideas i thought of. Didn't really hash them out well, maybe someone else could. Thanks.
Message Edited by Orcajum on 12-14-2004 12:34 AM
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FD is a smuggler skill and if jedi and Bounty Hunters keep abusing it it will be pulled from the game, dabblers are the reason this skill is such a hot topic. Smugglers fight dirty and use any trick they can to survive including faking death. In that context FD is a skill worth being in the game. I hate when people scream to nerf someone elses skills, great idea why not take every skill from smugglers its not like we need it. Last I checked Smugglers were a profession in the game and not one skill everyone seems to love to abuse.
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And I read this on page 2:
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I will agree with you on this to a point. Jedi should not have the skill and BH's should not have the skill but smugglers in a bounty situation should have the skill. After all a BH's job is to kill and ours in to make money in a under world of the galaxy, staying alive and being sneakier then everyone else is paramount. We fool people all the time when we smuggler illigal cargo (well we are supost to anyway) so we should be able to fool a BH from time to time.
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In any event, it it was misinterpreted, so be it; my apologies. Moving a skill to the mastery box ensures that it's worthless to all but the Master Smugglers, who at that point will only use it in the grinding or practice of another profession. It's a bit like adding level 10 certification to master pilot. A neat reward, but it doesn't help the grind because the grind is over at that point.
I didn't one-star you. I explain 1-stars when I give them out. And before you imply that I'm a Jedi Smuggler-hater, or a dabbler, do a search on my posts. I don't expect much from my fellow smugglers, but I do expect not to have my dedication to the class questioned.
That's in reference to this post, and if it's directed elsewhere, disregard. If it's directed at me, I'm pissed.
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One of our little jedi friends one stared me (last page) cause he thought I wanted to remove FD from the mix (i.e. take it away from jedi's and BH's). This is not true, one of the best features of the game is the fact that you can mix up the skill sets to really make a custom toon. I have issue with people using a skill (not from their main profession) on each other then crying nerf. I dont mine the one star just wanted to give a shout out for all the jedi love.
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I'm all for it being overhauled into some sort of escape mechanism though.
Message Edited by Ipseck on 12-14-2004 02:19 PM
JTGAlpha wrote:
While not quite eloquent or diplomatic I do have to agree with the sentiment that it's unfair that our profession be punished because of a few dabblers who only want one skill.
However, FD has problems separate from that so maybe this will be our way of getting them fixed.
Message Edited by JTGAlpha on 12-14-2004 07:03 PM
FrankLee wrote:
I read the whole thread. I also read the pointer thread. It had this in it:
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FD is a smuggler skill and if jedi and Bounty Hunters keep abusing it it will be pulled from the game, dabblers are the reason this skill is such a hot topic. Smugglers fight dirty and use any trick they can to survive including faking death. In that context FD is a skill worth being in the game. I hate when people scream to nerf someone elses skills, great idea why not take every skill from smugglers its not like we need it. Last I checked Smugglers were a profession in the game and not one skill everyone seems to love to abuse.
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And I read this on page 2:
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I will agree with you on this to a point. Jedi should not have the skill and BH's should not have the skill but smugglers in a bounty situation should have the skill. After all a BH's job is to kill and ours in to make money in a under world of the galaxy, staying alive and being sneakier then everyone else is paramount. We fool people all the time when we smuggler illigal cargo (well we are supost to anyway) so we should be able to fool a BH from time to time.
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In any event, it it was misinterpreted, so be it; my apologies. Missed one - [The dev's want people to dabble. By useing the % mods and making novice on up have a much, much greater risk of failing you reduce the amount of people using it.]
Moving a skill to the mastery box ensures that it's worthless to all but the Master Smugglers, who at that point will only use it in the grinding or practice of another profession. - the game needs to move away from the "grind" as a master I dont use my skills to grind other profession I use them toplay (i know crazy)the game and so do many other people.It's a bit like adding level 10 certification to master pilot. A neat reward, but it doesn't help the grind because the grind is over at that point. - good then maybe people will play a master toon and not grind professions, content, content, content.
I didn't one-star you. I explain 1-stars when I give them out. And before you imply that I'm a Jedi Smuggler-hater, or a dabbler, do a search on my posts.- ROFLMAO dude you need to not read so much into posts, smoke or take something because you need to chill out. Theaftermy comments should have given you the insight to see i was bustin your chops a little, lighten up.I don't expect much from my fellow smugglers, - if you were a true smuggler you would never make a statement like that, anyone who comes to this forum knows how much we help each other and others who stop in with questions. but I do expect not to have my dedication to the class questioned. - Funny but based on your icon you seem to be dedicated to jedi not smuggler which is cool. But dont come at me like your suprised I think your a jedi first and formost, after all Im not a physic friend. I never cast any aspersions on you or your choice in profession, again dont read so much into things.
That's in reference to this post, and if it's directed elsewhere, disregard. If it's directed at me, I'm pissed. - lol and this affects me how? Really all I said was "one of our" I dont know who it was and I dont care its just fun to bust the person out a little because its so obviously a jedi. Dont protest so much it makes you look guilty of something.
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One of our little jedi friends one stared me (last page) cause he thought I wanted to remove FD from the mix (i.e. take it away from jedi's and BH's). This is not true, one of the best features of the game is the fact that you can mix up the skill sets to really make a custom toon. I have issue with people using a skill (not from their main profession) on each other then crying nerf. I dont mine the one star just wanted to give a shout out for all the jedi love.
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Message Edited by yimaz on 12-15-2004 10:06 AM
yimaz wrote:
FrankLee wrote:
.I don't expect much from my fellow smugglers, - if you were a true smuggler you would never make a statement like that, anyone who comes to this forum knows how much we help each other and others who stop in with questions. but I do expect not to have my dedication to the class questioned. - Funny but based on your icon you seem to be dedicated to jedi not smuggler which is cool. But dont come at me like your suprised I think your a jedi first and formost, after all Im not a physic friend. I never cast any aspersions on you or your choice in profession, again dont read so much into things.
Message Edited by yimaz on 12-15-2004 10:06 AM
<sitting comfortably>
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I love the skill but feel it needs some work:
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WILDMAN_SOLO wrote:
My last comment is that if FD does get nerfed I will not hold BH in contempt or responsible for it but I will lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of every and any Jedi that ever used it to circumvent the legitamate collection of their bounty
yimaz wrote:
FrankLee wrote:
I read the whole thread. I also read the pointer thread. It had this in it:
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FD is a smuggler skill and if jedi and Bounty Hunters keep abusing it it will be pulled from the game, dabblers are the reason this skill is such a hot topic. Smugglers fight dirty and use any trick they can to survive including faking death. In that context FD is a skill worth being in the game. I hate when people scream to nerf someone elses skills, great idea why not take every skill from smugglers its not like we need it. Last I checked Smugglers were a profession in the game and not one skill everyone seems to love to abuse.
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And I read this on page 2:
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I will agree with you on this to a point. Jedi should not have the skill and BH's should not have the skill but smugglers in a bounty situation should have the skill. After all a BH's job is to kill and ours in to make money in a under world of the galaxy, staying alive and being sneakier then everyone else is paramount. We fool people all the time when we smuggler illigal cargo (well we are supost to anyway) so we should be able to fool a BH from time to time.
-
In any event, it it was misinterpreted, so be it; my apologies. Missed one - [The dev's want people to dabble. By useing the % mods and making novice on up have a much, much greater risk of failing you reduce the amount of people using it.]
Moving a skill to the mastery box ensures that it's worthless to all but the Master Smugglers, who at that point will only use it in the grinding or practice of another profession. - the game needs to move away from the "grind" as a master I dont use my skills to grind other profession I use them toplay (i know crazy)the game and so do many other people.It's a bit like adding level 10 certification to master pilot. A neat reward, but it doesn't help the grind because the grind is over at that point. - good then maybe people will play a master toon and not grind professions, content, content, content.
I didn't one-star you. I explain 1-stars when I give them out. And before you imply that I'm a Jedi Smuggler-hater, or a dabbler, do a search on my posts.- ROFLMAO dude you need to not read so much into posts, smoke or take something because you need to chill out. The
That's in reference to this post, and if it's directed elsewhere, disregard. If it's directed at me, I'm pissed. - lol and this affects me how? Really all I said was "one of our" I dont know who it was and I dont care its just fun to bust the person out a little because its so obviously a jedi. Dont protest so much it makes you look guilty of something.
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One of our little jedi friends one stared me (last page) cause he thought I wanted to remove FD from the mix (i.e. take it away from jedi's and BH's). This is not true, one of the best features of the game is the fact that you can mix up the skill sets to really make a custom toon. I have issue with people using a skill (not from their main profession) on each other then crying nerf. I dont mine the one star just wanted to give a shout out for all the jedi love.
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Message Edited by yimaz on 12-15-2004 10:06 AM
FrankLee wrote:
The most redeeming quality of this board has been the fact that there was a level of mutual respect.- this forum still is, just cause you and I are butting heads that has not changed. I think you may need a hug.
/rolleyes
Its ok to disagree
/bow
Message Edited by yimaz on 12-15-2004 01:28 PM