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Thread: Poll: Contraband on Vendors

Mickos
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:21 am
#40






Mentski wrote:

In reply to the ones who went B just beacause "They didn't want to sell spice on the street" or whatever, well, currently, spice really isnt much of a seller, anyway, is it?




I can barely keep up with demand for Muon and Pixie and often run out. It's not just one person buying my stock either, it's multiple people.


I must admit I was only thinking spice ........ good point about pre sliced weapons/armour being too available as it currently stands though, I hadn't really thought about that.

Message Edited by Mickos on 02-16-2005 04:27 PM



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Mixus - 12/17 Point Master Shipwright
Mixus Starship Vendors, 3513, -1107 Commerce City, Lok, MO Mall
Please deliver any auction winnings to the above vendors

SmugglinZane
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:24 am
#41






SlaserX wrote:

Contraband should be allowed on vendors. True some people are up in arms regarding the new bazaar system (including myself) because it makes it so people dont have to go to your shop (and paruze/splurge on your nicely decorated mall) to actually pick up the items themselves, but still I think that contraband items are an essential part of the game. They need to be easily attainable, especially spices. If I wasnt able to go grab a box of muon from the bazaar in theed for 2.5k, then I dont know what I'd do =)





These two are contradictory. If it's contraband, it's illegal. Never should illegal things be sold in the open and plain view at retail establishment. True, some find ways to deal it, but not in the same manner they deal in their legal goods. I'd say at least 90%, if not more, of deals for illegal goods is done on a person to person basis, not taken off the rack at Walmart.


As far as how essential they are to gameplay, they're not. You do not need spice or sliced gear to do anything. YouCHOOSE to use it because it allows you to do more. If you want to CHOOSE to use it, fine with me, but your CHOICE should come with potential consequences. Your CHOICE and the value of that CHOICE should be reflected by how hard it is to obtain the items and the risks you take by having them.


Man, I don't want to open this can of worms again, but just like the TEF system is said to be broken, so is the contraband system. People will learn to live with the GCW changes they don't like, and their gameplay will adjust, just as it will if slices and spices take on a true contraband status.


PS- I like how you name a price of 2.5k for a tier 4 elite profession item, that in itself should show you how screwed up the value of this stuff is.





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MojoRein
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:26 am
#42

I am voting B, wait, no A, err B, A, B, A!!!


ARGH


I vote B, but with restrictions, so C really.


IMHO neither A nor B cover it right, needs a something in between to take into account the exceptions.



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- I supportFrench Bread Pizza
- I support Rhiias Shopping Addiction
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Duedroth
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:29 am
#43






WesBelden wrote:


There has been a resurgence in debate recently concerning merchants and their vendors. Along with this there has also been some discussion over contraband being sold on vendors. So, please choose one of the following options (and if possible, don't add in other options, such as Smuggler Vendors® ):


A.Contraband should not be sold on vendors; it’s illegal and as such should not be so easily available, nor as easily identifiable by the authorities.


B.Contraband should be able to be sold on vendors; this is a game and I want to be able to sell/buy stuff easily!


In my mind removing contraband from vendors would be a step towards actual Smuggling; Smugglers would be required to take spice to their customers and customers would be required to take their weapons/armour to Smugglers. This would create a greater sense of illegality and general Star Wars immersion in my opinion.


There would of course be draw backs to such a change; I guess it’s up to every individual to decide whether those drawbacks would be worth the extra immersion.


Get voting!





A, please.


I know you asked us not to give other options, but I can't help it.


I would say no spice/sliced goods/knives/clamps/AUKs/WUKs/anything else to do with contraband on the bazaar or any normal vendor.


However, I would like to see Player City Cantinas come standard with a Bartender. If that Cantina is in a non-aligned city (the mayor/citizens have not deemed it Imperial or Rebel) then the Bartender, which can normally be filled by BioEngineers and Chefs, would have a special section for contraband. This should carry with it heavy penalties if discovered by Imperial, Rebel or Neutral authorities. All contraband items should be confiscated by authorities, the City should be fined X amount of credits per item of contraband found, there would be a surcharge imposed on all legit goods sold from that Bartender for Y amount of time, and those particular authorities would conduct patrols and random searches through the entire city forthe same amount of time.


But that'll never happen, so my vote is A.





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DragonSnack
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:30 am
#44

A

Only if an alternative type ofblack market "vendor" is made a available.

I can only carry 199 items and the odds of me having the correct item when needed is probably 0 in 199

We dont always carry slicing tools what makes yuou think i'd want to carry around the spices that are marketable.


otherwise B



MojoRein
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:35 am
#45






Zhagadska wrote:

more posts...no new votes..



26 for A


4 for B


still not counting Mojo's







Damn you!!!!


/glare


If forced to pick, I would go with B, but I really do think having heard some feedback we need some more of the alphabet added!!!




Mojo Rein ~ The Godmonkeh
Home is where the Sun Falls
- I support Hammeh's Mum
- I supportFrench Bread Pizza
- I support Rhiias Shopping Addiction
- I support Marks & Spencer Crispy Bacon Strips
Zhagadska
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:36 am
#46


28 for A



5 for B



Mojo's in the game now

Message Edited by Zhagadska on 02-16-2005 10:37 AM



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Started: Beta 2
Retired : 1-27-06

It's been fun...
MojoRein
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:44 am
#47







Zhagadska wrote:


28 for A



5for B



Mojo's in the game now

Message Edited by Zhagadska on 02-16-2005 10:37 AM






/sulk


*New Tally*


A = 28


B = 4


C = 1


Message Edited by MojoRein on 02-16-2005 04:47 PM



Mojo Rein ~ The Godmonkeh
Home is where the Sun Falls
- I support Hammeh's Mum
- I supportFrench Bread Pizza
- I support Rhiias Shopping Addiction
- I support Marks & Spencer Crispy Bacon Strips
Mentski
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:47 am
#48

out of interest, how many people here view the tools themselves contraband?


As far as I know, the game doesn't.




Mentalla - Master Smuggler, Master Pilot, Master Cynic
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I swear, It's like talking to a brick wall round here....
Ginsel
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:47 am
#49


A



Chyak

Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer

Bria

If the place is seedy...There is a good chance I have called it home.

Chyaks Willcall vendor -3655 -1674 StrongBuffia just outside Tyrena Corellia
DRWolfe
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:50 am
#50

Kind of hard to decide, actually.

A is the correct response, as the items in question are illegal, and so should not be sold on public vendors.

B is also a valid response for playability, as I wouldn't want to hang out on street corners selling spice (Um, Smuggler, not Drug Dealer...)

These things have to be carefully weighed, pros and cons, realism vs. playability.

In this case, since you asked for no other options, I have to say

"B"

because no other profession must hand sell their product. RP and all is fine, but if I have to stand around back alleys trying to sell spice, no spice will be sold. I have better things to do in-game.

Look into those "other" options and we can talk.



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Zhagadska
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:52 am
#51


29 for A



6 for B





this is an A & B vote only kiddoes. i think our correspondant is just trying to get a feel for our general opinions and ideas.

Message Edited by Zhagadska on 02-16-2005 10:53 AM



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Started: Beta 2
Retired : 1-27-06

It's been fun...
Roribem
Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:52 am
#52

A...all the wAAAAAAAAAAy. I don't care how hard it is for everyone else to get what I got ta sell. If their only option is to come see me, or my scummy, villainous, creepy, dirty, low-down, vile brothers and sisters then all the better.


I already sit around in the back of cantinas from time to time, be nice if I had a real reason to do it.


"Right, 20 cases of Booster, 5 sliced T21's, 5 sliced scout blasters, and I'll see about a rocket launcher. Meet you at Theed starport tomorrow. Bring the cash or I find another buyer."


Your milage may vary...and I may be asleep at the wheel.



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